what to do with superstars like this?...

[Staresy]

$10 SnG. This is about the 15th hand. Villian has already made 2 or 3 of these stupid overbets.

PokerStars Game #2718746337: Tournament #13335442, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/10/03 - 16:47:06 (ET)
Table '13335442 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: NightSpice (1240 in chips)
Seat 2: staresy (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Fabrikes (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: PCFD01 (1570 in chips)
Seat 5: frenkie (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: BigCanoer (1230 in chips)
Seat 7: redacesfull (1640 in chips)
Seat 8: TheRake39 (1870 in chips)
Seat 9: hamrin (1450 in chips)
NightSpice: posts small blind 15
staresy: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to staresy [Kc Kd]
Fabrikes: folds
PCFD01: raises 180 to 210
frenkie: folds
BigCanoer: folds
redacesfull: folds
TheRake39: folds
hamrin: calls 210
NightSpice: folds
staresy: ????

Smooth Call?
Push?
Re-Raise?

[nogenius]

With a raiser and a caller already in the hand, I would push.

You'll likely get it heads up all-in, which is optimal.

[daluchy]

Hmm, well if I wanted a big pot I'd raise it 3x and if just called push any non Ace flop.

But if you don't wanna risk that I'd just push and hope one of them calls.

[dalecooper]

Hmm, well if I wanted a big pot I'd raise it 3x and if just called push any non Ace flop.

But if you don't wanna risk that I'd just push and hope one of them calls.

I agree with this post and endorse it 100%. Either push pre-flop, or if you like courting disaster just a little bit, re-raise to about 600 and push any flop without an ace on it.

[Fnord]

How does he play post-flop?

I think I make it 700 flat and push *any* flop. If he catches his Ace, good for him, I'll just have to suck out.

[Aces]

Don't think you want to call. Either push AI or about 700-800 if you want to get greedy. 465 is not a bad pot to go ahead and push AI with either no risk(they fold) or a huge advantage unless they turn over rockets.

if only 1 in I probably reraise 3-4x. With two in I go AI here.

[Staple Gun]

I'd raise it to 700. You might get action and you can push any non-ace flop knowing you gave them no odds preflop. If you just push I think half the time you get called someone will have AA, and a large majority of the time you wont get a call.

[a500lbgorilla]

push. They'll say "you bet too much" and call.

-'rilla

[Fnord]

push. They'll say "you bet too much" and call.

It's my experience that this kind of idiot will call off half his stack, but will back down to an all-in. I think he makes worse mistakes for more chips this way. He might neither want to fold nor play for stacks pre-flop.

You can push any non-ace flop.

Check/folding Axx to this idiot with less than pot behind really sucks. 700 chips in pre-flop leaves us a continuation bet of ~800. Make it!

[Pingviini]

As Mr. Fnord says in his a avatar, kinds are good (as did Marcel Luske for that matter ). if he wouldnt have made such big bets earlier I would just push. BUT, now I just raise to 600-700 here and push every flop if I am against the original raiser only. If two of them all, I prolly dont AI on A high flop, which will be.. umm.. a little less than 20% of the time?

[baudib]

I don't fear three-way with kings. Just reraising is fine. Pushing is also fine and you never know, you could get two callers if they have AQ+ or JJ/QQ.

[Fnord]

BUT, now I just raise to 600-700 here and push every flop if I am against the original raiser only. If two of them all, I prolly dont AI on A high flop, which will be.. umm.. a little less than 20% of the time?

Consider that for a check/fold to be correct he needs to have Ax AND call with it.

Quite often he'll have something like 22-QQ here and still call Axx boards (without a set.) Or even call with middle pair, bottom pair or some draw.

More often he'll even miss the Axx board and just fold to your "obvious" play of Ace King or whatever.

Even if he does catch an Ace, you'll catch a set or suck-out sometimes to offset that.

Finally, he just might wimp out with Ax when he sees you push. Horrible players make horrible plays, including really bad laydowns (we just don't see them.)

You just can't dump in half your stack and then freak out when the Ace hits. Certainly not given the wide range of hands he could have here.

[Staresy]

How does he play post-flop?

No-one had called the times before. You think this leans it towards pushing?

Although, later on, he did make another silly overbet and proceeded to call off his stack on a Q J Rag flop with TT.

[Pingviini]

Fnord, folding KK or, lets say, middle pair on an A high flop when someone puts me AI is one of my weaknesses. I just dont like to call for all my chips when I have such slim chances of winning if they do have the A(this especially with KK, middle pair most likely has more outs).

Perhaps I just have to show some guts and start making those tough calls.

[Fnord]

He's first to act on the flop. He should push any 3 cards.

[Demiparadigm]

Am I the only one who minaises here?

Often I'll get 2 callers, which is okay, or I'll get a push which is beautiful.
Either way, I push the flop.

I guess by the Fundamental theorem you are allowing your opponent to make a bigger mistake by raising more,
But I have a monster hand, and I want to ensure more chips get in this pot.
If you raise too much and your opponent correctly folds...
You have made the wrong play!

[Pingviini]

min-raise just screams, AA, AA!! Bigger raise doesnt give out your hand IMO. And you have to remember that a fish just raised 7X UTG and another one called him MP..

That is why I dont to minraise here, if the stacks were more shallow I would be happy to. Here I rather bet a little more and make then feel that they are committed to the pot if they catch anything on the flop, and even if they didnt

[gabe]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

[dalecooper]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

No. Easy "check-and-let-the-moron-bluff" situation.

[Fnord]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

I don't think it matters much unless we know enough about him to induce his favorite mistake.

[a500lbgorilla]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

No. Easy "check-and-let-the-moron-bluff" situation.

If you check, he'll check behind then you push the turn and probably get the fold.

-'rilla

[Staresy]

Any merit in a little post oak on a K hi rainbow?

[dalecooper]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

No. Easy "check-and-let-the-moron-bluff" situation.

If you check, he'll check behind then you push the turn and probably get the fold.

-'rilla

If it happens, it happens. I think he bluffs the flop often enough to make a check worth a try - and he's almost certainly not catching up, so what's at risk? If he checks behind I'd min-bet the turn and pray for a little action. I am not sure about the odds of success on just pushing the flop.

My experience has been that there are a lot of fish who get a lot of their chips in the pot and then the first time you check, they go all in because it's their last chance to maybe win and stay afloat. Depends what kind of fish he is, I guess - the passive calling station type, or the slightly more aggressive, random crazy or at least somewhat aware type.

[daluchy]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

No. Easy "check-and-let-the-moron-bluff" situation.

How about a weak lead bet if the guy is aggressive?

[dalecooper]

would you push a K high uncoordinated rainbow flop?

No. Easy "check-and-let-the-moron-bluff" situation.

How about a weak lead bet if the guy is aggressive?

If he's aggressive enough to bite on the weak lead, he probably re-raised you all-in before the flop anyway...

[ilikeaces86]

Reraise 3x their raise and then 2/3 pot on any flop.