Set -> Full Boat on a flush/straight draw board

[lowBoy]

Opp got her chips off of two pots - one where she caught a full house off the flop, and another with top two pair against a donkish bet - once she had the chips, she made a few aggressive plays to push people off of pots. Seemed decent enough of a player.

***** Hand History for Game 2841714855 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16409998) - Fri Oct 07 14:35:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 14953 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: BIRDDOG279 (695)
Seat 2: NepconTP (875)
Seat 4: GoldenGary (740)
Seat 5: permitonly (800)
Seat 7: langnba3333 (2420)
Seat 8: GJV653 (855)
Seat 9: Em1ssar1 (775)
Seat 10: dirtFreshly (840)
GoldenGary posts small blind (15)
permitonly posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dirtFreshly [ 8s, 8h ]
langnba3333 raises (80) to 80
GJV653 folds.
Em1ssar1 folds.
dirtFreshly calls (80)
BIRDDOG279 folds.
NepconTP folds.
GoldenGary folds.
permitonly calls (50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Kd, 8d ]
permitonly checks.
langnba3333 checks.
dirtFreshly bets (125)
permitonly folds.
langnba3333 calls (125)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
langnba3333 checks.
dirtFreshly checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
langnba3333 bets (200)
dirtFreshly...

So what's the move here? And what do you put opp on?

How'd I play it until this point? Should I have bet harder off the flop? I figured with only 2 people in the hand, just over a half pot bet would do the trick. If the board came down with another to the straight or to the flush, then I would have considered folding, depending on the bets.

[LeFou]

Looks fine to me. I'm betting most of my sets on the flop nowadays -- i think the disguise is well worth the (rare) times you don't get a call. Just make sure you vary it ... because little bets on the flop will start to scream if anyone's paying attention. Bet harder next time, then little again the time after that.

On the end, raise whatever you think she'll call. I think you both have pairs <Q in the hole.

Having second thoughts... UTG raise, opp might have KK/KQ here I guess. That would suck. I still think you're betting the river as hard as possible, as there are so many busted draws there.

[zenbitz]

fold pre-flop. Your implied odds are only 10x the initial bet (size of your stack), and you aren't guarenteed of getting it all (only if you hit a set and someone else hits a pair/draw).

If your stack was bigger, or you were willing to reraise, you can play 88 here.

Given that you're in it... I'm paying off a higher boat every time.
I think most of the time she has a diamond draw, maybe AQ or AK/KJ (a weak pfr for AK thoough), JJ/TT/99, JT - all play post flop similarly.

Some times you are paying off QQ (another weak reaise) or KQ more likely.

Size of flop bet is standard... I would make it look like any previous continuation bet.

You could argue that only KQ/QQ are likely holdings that are calling your push-over on the river. Maybe just re-raise for value to say 400. If you are pushed over, you have to seriously consider that you are behind a bigger boat... And then you have to serioulsy consider if you'd rather play crippled or call assuming villian is overvaluing something.

[booradly07]

I would have probably made some sort of donkish size bet here on the turn hoping for the opp to have a K or think you were bluffing. If they fold you weren't going to get much anyway unless the river was a 'miracle' card for opp. If that doesnt' get the response I want then I would want to get a 1/2 pot sized bet in on the river. Ideally I just want a call here because if opp pushed then I might be beat but I will just go broke if they have a bigger house. I think your hand is good here most of the time.

At any rate, I general I don't like slowplay unless i am trapping with a monster though so I might consider a large bet on the turn to see just where I stand. Yep, I am definately winning or going broke on this hand.

EDIT: I agree with Zinbit though, you should have probably folder pre-flop but thats not the question here.

[lowBoy]

Agreed, preflop I should have raised or folded this one - preferably folded.

Once I'm in it though - I wanted to make it look like I had a draw/weak holdings with my half pot bet. I wasn't the one raising preflop, so I couldn't put in a continuation bet. Didn't want to let them draw out cheap though, so I figured that an UTG raise, the worst I was up against was KK, QQ. Possibly KQ slowplaying, but a dangerous move on a board like that.

The next piece of the puzzle:

dirtFreshly raises (200) to 400
<opp thinks for a few seconds>
langnba3333 raises all-in
dirtFreshly...???

I'm left with around 200-250 chips at this point.

[nogenius]

Agreed, preflop I should have raised or folded this one - preferably folded.

Once I'm in it though - I wanted to make it look like I had a draw/weak holdings with my half pot bet. I wasn't the one raising preflop, so I couldn't put in a continuation bet. Didn't want to let them draw out cheap though, so I figured that an UTG raise, the worst I was up against was KK, QQ. Possibly KQ slowplaying, but a dangerous move on a board like that.

The next piece of the puzzle:

dirtFreshly raises (200) to 400
<opp thinks for a few seconds>
langnba3333 raises all-in
dirtFreshly...???

I'm left with around 200-250 chips at this point.

With so much of your stack invested, I think you have to make a crying call.

[JeffreyGB]

Don't play your boats so scared. Any K is paying you off here (along with some Qs). If he has a higher boat, so be it. You start another tournament. Easy call/push against more aggression.

[lowBoy]

Yeah, with only 200 chips behind, I guess it IS an easy push to his allin.

I was just posting to see how to make this hand in this situation the most profitable in the long run (which at this point in the tournie, I imagine that means getting the most chips). I wasn't too scared of QQ/KK/KQ.