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 I was colluded against and pokerstars wont help!
MY original email to pokerstars:
>Check that game # in subject line. John198 and matchstick31 are
playing
like colluders. Look at this hand for example. Also when there in pots
with eachother there checking really fast, I think they have some
connection possibly
>
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>: Stars Game #2744313621: Tournament #13470526, Hold'em No Limit -
Level
III (25/50) - 2005/10/06 - 23:59:57 (ET)
>Table '13470526 1' Seat #3 is the button
>Seat 2: snakekilla88 (2120 in chips)
>Seat 3: tedDel21 (1450 in chips)
>Seat 4: john1931 (3460 in chips)
>Seat 8: matchst1ck (1970 in chips)
>john1931: posts small blind 25
>matchst1ck: posts big blind 50
>*** HOLE CARDS ***
>Dealt to snakekilla88 [Kc 8s]
>snakekilla88: raises 100 to 150
>tedDel21: folds
>john1931: calls 125
>matchst1ck: calls 100
>*** FLOP *** [7s Qh Qs]
>john1931: checks
>matchst1ck: bets 200
>snakekilla88: folds
>john1931: calls 200
>*** TURN *** [7s Qh Qs] [2h]
>john1931: checks
>matchst1ck: bets 200
>john1931: calls 200
>*** RIVER *** [7s Qh Qs 2h] [5c]
>john1931: checks
>matchst1ck: bets 200
>john1931: calls 200
>*** SHOW DOWN ***
>matchst1ck: shows [7h Td] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
>john1931: mucks hand
>matchst1ck collected 1650 from pot
>*** SUMMARY ***
>Total pot 1650 | Rake 0
>Board [7s Qh Qs 2h 5c]
>Seat 2: snakekilla88 folded on the Flop
>Seat 3: tedDel21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 4: john1931 (small blind) mucked [Ks 4s]
>Seat 8: matchst1ck (big blind) showed [7h Td] and won (1650) with two
pair, Queens and Sevens
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Pokerstars Reply back:
llo ,
Thank you for taking time to report your concerns. We take the
integrity
of our games seriously and appreciate vigilant players who help us
monitor
the games. I have completed my review into the accounts of the
following
players:
matchst1ck
john1931
The first thing that we look for in such cases is a relationship
between
the players.
The players live in different countries, have never shared the same
computer nor have they ever shared an internet connection. There is
nothing else in their profiles that might indicate a relationship
between
these players. In this instance, there appears to be no relationship
between these players.
Next, we look for frequency of play together. We are looking to see if
these players seem to be seeking each other out. Although a high
frequency
of play is not necessarily an indictment, it can be a harbinger of
unethical play. In this case, the players have played in only this one
Sit & Go event together and have never played in a cash game together
on
PokerStars.
One of the advantages of online poker is that there is a full record of
every hand, and after the fact, we can look at the hands with all of
the
cards exposed - including the hole cards. As a result, cheaters cannot
hide what they are doing. In looking at tournament play for collusion,
we
check for such things as:
1) Best hand play, where the "team" only plays the better of their
hands.
2) Softplay, where the "team" does not bet against each other,
regardless
of the strength of their hand.
3) Chip dumping, where the larger stacked player dumps chips to the
lower
stacked player in an effort to ensure in his survival.
After reviewing all hands where they played together, I could find no
evidence of collusion between these players. Hands that may look
suspicious to a player at the table are revealed to us during our
research. Although we cannot reveal the cards of each hands to you, I
can assure you that there was no foul play involved. Calling with a
King
high is not a smart play in most cases; however, it was the only
suspiciously played hand between these players.
Based on my in depth research of these players, there is nothing to
indicate that they are working together. I will however place notes in
the
player's accounts indicating this review and your concerns.
I would be remiss, however, if I did not bring up the matter of your
own
chat. Accusing the players directly at the table can have no
beneficial
result.
First of all, in an environment where there is already concerns about
cheating in different forms, making such comments only serves to
propagate
existing fears. Our team works diligently, investigating collusion
complaints and dealing with the integrity of our site. A lot of that
work
is undone by comments of this nature.
Secondly, you alert the cheats that their play has been observed
allowing
for them to concoct cover up hands to disguise their actions. Whenever
you make an accusation at the table we might as well not review any
further hands in that session as they no longer contain useful
information.
And finally, if the players are innocent, which in the vast majority of
cases they are, you have wrongfully accused two innocent players of the
worst crime in Poker.
In the future, if you see something suspicious, please write an email
to
[email protected] detailing the player names and any suspicious
hand
numbers observed.
Please do not hesitate to report any concerns you might have about
unusual play to us for review. As you can see, we treat all such
complaints seriously, and will do a full investigation into any such
email. Thanks again for your help in protecting the integrity of the
game
and thanks for your patronage.
Regards,
Patrick K.
PokerStars Support Team
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I am obviously dealing with some top notch colluders. They work with each other across different country's to avoid suspicoun. Playing 12 +1 short handed games, is the perfect buyin to collude to make millions. My money does not feel safe on stars any longer, time to
find a new place, ANy reccomendations?!
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Originally Posted by Tim Vecchioni
