AK early

[Rockymv]

Ok, tell me its early, I've got plenty of chips, I can find a better spot, it's probably a coin flip, I don't want a coin flip for all my chips this early. I know all these things. Still, I HATE folding this. Take a look.

PokerStars Game #2756196935: Tournament #13536987, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/10/08 - 16:50:09 (ET)
Table '13536987 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Borokid (1590 in chips)
Seat 2: Jungleboy2 (2960 in chips)
Seat 3: Rockymv (1425 in chips)
Seat 4: easee123 (2205 in chips)
Seat 5: oneleone (1155 in chips)
Seat 6: bungya (1165 in chips)
Seat 7: N.T.G. (1670 in chips)
Seat 9: DABADESTCHIC (1330 in chips)
oneleone: posts small blind 25
bungya: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Ks As]
bungya said, "ty"
N.T.G.: calls 50
DABADESTCHIC: folds
Borokid: calls 50
Jungleboy2: folds
Rockymv: raises 150 to 200
easee123: raises 2005 to 2205 and is all-in
oneleone: folds
bungya: folds
N.T.G.: folds
Borokid: folds
Rockymv: ????????

[allLiving]

Still, I HATE folding this.

Fold unless you want to gamble.

[JeffreyGB]

60% of the time, this is a coinflip. 20% of the time, you're dominated. 10% of the time, you dominate them.

That's a losing situation if you ask me, unless you have a read. Even if you knew it was a coinflip, we both know you're better off folding here, for at least another level or two.

And yes, I did pull the above percentages out of my ass. Still, I feel it's pretty accurate. Look for a better spot - one in which you are ahead, have a read, and/or have folding equity.

[Aplomado]

I totally agree with JeffreyGB, except his percentages only add up to 90%. Also I'd say in a situation like this where a fairly big stack risks all his chips preflop even after a healthy raise from you, you're probably dominated. So I'd say in this case, there's a 70% chance of domination, 35% chance of a coinflip and MAYBE a 5% chance where you dominate. I can't imagine someone going crazy with that kind of stack all of the sudden with AQ or something.

[Pingviini]

You both should learn how to count, and after that start playing poker again.

Jeffrey's percentages added up to 90%, Aplomado's to 110%

[vqc]

hahahahhahahaha
pwnt.

[JeffreyGB]

The thing is, it's also possible that your opponent has AK and is playing it this way, so it's none of the 90% that I described. 90% + 10% = 100%.

[ihategnomes]

This is a basic fold.

[TLR]

Know when to foldem

[BoondockSaint]

I actually went all with AK very early in poker stars turbo 6.50 last night. the blinds are only 15/30 at this point and there was one limper before me and I was in fairly late position. The limper (who has like 1700 in chips) thinks for like 25 seconds and then calls my 1500 chips with KT. U usually dont see play that bad even at turbos. I guess that falls into the 10% or 20% or whatever somebody said it was.

[JeffreyGB]

I actually went all with AK very early in poker stars turbo 6.50 last night. the blinds are only 15/30 at this point and there was one limper before me and I was in fairly late position. The limper (who has like 1700 in chips) thinks for like 25 seconds and then calls my 1500 chips with KT. U usually dont see play that bad even at turbos. I guess that falls into the 10% or 20% or whatever somebody said it was.

Pushing with AK is much stronger than calling with AK. Notice that the moron here didn't push his KT, he just called with it. Most people this bad aren't smart enough to know that by playing aggro they will get more value out of the (otherwise crappy) hand.

[Ingtar17]

Good timing.... Last night I was dealt AKo on the first hand. I raised 3*BB and the guy after me raised to 9*BB. I went all-in and he called. ACES! DOH! Needless to say this was my quickest exit from a tourney. Should I have pushed like that?

Ing

[BoondockSaint]

I actually went all with AK very early in poker stars turbo 6.50 last night. the blinds are only 15/30 at this point and there was one limper before me and I was in fairly late position. The limper (who has like 1700 in chips) thinks for like 25 seconds and then calls my 1500 chips with KT. U usually dont see play that bad even at turbos. I guess that falls into the 10% or 20% or whatever somebody said it was.

Pushing with AK is much stronger than calling with AK. Notice that the moron here didn't push his KT, he just called with it. Most people this bad aren't smart enough to know that by playing aggro they will get more value out of the (otherwise crappy) hand.

tru tru

[JeffreyGB]

Good timing.... Last night I was dealt AKo on the first hand. I raised 3*BB and the guy after me raised to 9*BB. I went all-in and he called. ACES! DOH! Needless to say this was my quickest exit from a tourney. Should I have pushed like that?

Ing

Without a read, I'm usually folding AK to a large reraise early on.

So no, you shouldn't have. He'd demonstrated a lot of strength. At best you're a coinflip to win (say he had QQ). And you know he's going to call. Don't put your tournament on the line early when you have to catch to win.

[gabe]

i call this everyday. with a big stack i can do alot of damage on the bubble, so maybe thats just a personal reference sort of things.

besides, rarely would a person push AA or KK over top of you like this.

[booradly07]

Good timing.... Last night I was dealt AKo on the first hand. I raised 3*BB and the guy after me raised to 9*BB. I went all-in and he called. ACES! DOH! Needless to say this was my quickest exit from a tourney. Should I have pushed like that?

Ing

Without a read, I'm usually folding AK to a large reraise early on.

So no, you shouldn't have. He'd demonstrated a lot of strength. At best you're a coinflip to win (say he had QQ). And you know he's going to call. Don't put your tournament on the line early when you have to catch to win.

JeffreyGB is of course giving very good advice here. You hear it allot but AK is a good hand to go bust on. The guy could have 22 and the odds are essentially the same as if he had QQ. Why go for the coinflip this early when you have very little invested and can come back in a big way from a stronger position. If he has KK or AA, we don't even need to talk about it. I don't think a guy is going allin from here with anything weaker than AK or a pair when you've already made it clear you think you have a hand that is good enough to raise the pot 3xBB. Yes, I know people do it but most of the times I see it in a SNG at the midlle levels they have a very strong hand. Much less idiots raising with nothing and much more people wishing and hoping to double up off a hasty call or bad read.

[lowBoy]

besides, rarely would a person push AA or KK over top of you like this.

Depending on the person that did the raising and how I've been playing in people's eyes (ie. if I've had a lot of hands and have been raising/pushing a lot), I'll re-raise AI because it gets calls. The standard play with KK and AA is either put a small raise in or just call. By pushing (esp as a big stack), you represent a lesser hand trying to get chips.

[gabe]

pushing with AA or KK might misrepresent your hand, but that doesn't mean you can make more chips that way. i think that line of thinking is flawed.

regardless, my other points still stand. if i have more than average on the bubble i'm going to use that stack to make alot more, so i usually gamble here. gigabet has rubbed off on me..