An FTR home game hand

[Fnord]

$20 buy-in Poker Stars format w/ 20 min levels. 7 handed. Great table.

Currently I have about 2k chips, no one is under 1k .

Boost raises UTG to 90 (been playing too loose and aggressive)
Ttanka calls (he's drunk, playing looser pre-flop but still tight post-flop)
Eric's brother calls (semi-loose/passive/weak)
Fold
Lan (been playing semi-tight/passive, got run over in the cash game earlier) calls
Xianti calls from the SB (he's pretty wasted.)
I call from the BB with 66.

6 to the frop, 450 in the pot.
Flop is 9 8 6

Xianti checks
I check
Boost bets 200
Ttanka calls and hardly thinks about it.
Eric's brother calls
Lan says a matter of factly "all-in". No real show or bother to push in his chips as that might discourage a call. His chips are deep enough to cripple me.
Xianti folds
I fold...

[baudib]

Ac 9c.

[LeFou]

That is a tough one. Here are some scenarios
you versus :Ac: and an overpair -- 62% fave
you versus :Ac: and :Jc: :Th: -- 55% fave
you versus a flush draw AND a made straight is a race: 36% you, 32% to the straight (presumably Lan) and 26% to the clubs

So the T7 is hardly likely. But since you're practically dead to a better set I think those numbers may represent your chances best.

To put it another way: assume a club draw. The worst % for that player will be about 25%. Of the remaining 75% equity, you get up to 60% if your set is currently good, but 4% if it isn't.

Of course no one but boost is likely to hold an overpair. To further complicate things, this could as easily go four ways as three...

Is this a reasonable way to think about the hand?
How did it come out?

[dalecooper]

Wow. This isn't the gambooling Fnord I am familiar with.

[drmcboy]

betting the flop would have helped.

[gabe]

seems more like TT / JJ than a hand that beats you

[JeffreyGB]

Wow. This isn't the gambooling Fnord I am familiar with.

Honestly, I think that's just an image Fnord uses to get action, esp when playing other FTR players.

[PokerPatNEU]

Why not bet the flop?

[dalecooper]

Why not bet the flop?

I'm sure he's going for the easy check-raise on the pre-flop raiser.

[drmcboy]

pffft. Bet the flop. Especially if half the table is drunk.

[dalecooper]

pffft. Bet the flop. Especially if half the table is drunk.

Really? Would you rather bet and have half the drunkards flat call you - on a board with straight and flush draws - or go for a mega-check-raise and take it down early?

[Fnord]

Really? Would you rather bet and have half the drunkards flat call you - on a board with straight and flush draws - or go for a mega-check-raise and take it down early?

...or go for the mega-check-raise and get called.

For what it's worth, if I call this bet, I expect most of the table knows well enough to cry and fold an over-pair.

[dalecooper]

...or go for the mega-check-raise and get called.

Right, but presumably by one player, not three or four.

[Fnord]

Of course no one but boost is likely to hold an overpair.

Boost has 2 cards here.

Honestly, I think that's just an image Fnord uses to get action, esp when playing other FTR players.

...and Fnord knows that you know that ( http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=20950 )

BTW, is no one else concerned about TTanka's call here?

[dalecooper]

BTW, is no one else concerned about TTanka's call here?

Without really knowing the guy I'd assume he had a good draw and figured he was getting the odds with so many in the pot. A smooth call with a made hand is a little weird there - on that board no hand is invulnerable, so you'd think anybody with anything good would raise at least a little bit. The made hands (set, two pair, a straight) are all quite vulnerable to other draws. But maybe his drunkenness affects how he plays it, I dunno.

[Fnord]

So you'd think anybody with anything good would raise at least a little bit. The made hands (set, two pair, a straight) are all quite vulnerable to other draws. But maybe his drunkenness affects how he plays it, I dunno.

Given the way Boost is playing, I expect Ttanka to raise here a lot. If Ttanka pushes and it's folded to me I insta-call. Under his altered state of mind, his pre-flop range is pretty wide...

[dalecooper]

If he pushes, sure. What if he just raises? Let's say min-raises? I'm just surprised he wouldn't seize an opportunity to play back at the aggro guy with a monster that will probably get paid off. A smooth call there seems like an invitation for everybody else to draw... makes sense as a trap against Boost, but is very dangerous with a large field, a growing pot, and a draw-friendly board.

[JeffreyGB]

Of course no one but boost is likely to hold an overpair.

Boost has 2 cards here.

Honestly, I think that's just an image Fnord uses to get action, esp when playing other FTR players.

...and Fnord knows that you know that ( http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=20950 )

BTW, is no one else concerned about TTanka's call here?

Bluffing and gambooling are different. You're one of FTR's best players. I'd assume you know how/when to bluff.

[Fnord]

With a monster that will probably get paid off.

Boost has an itchy trigger finger, but doesn't like to call nor re-raise into strength. Ruthlessly attacks weakness.

[dalecooper]

Mm, fair enough. I made an assumption there that I should not have. I still think the smooth call is risky bidness though, considering that probably EVERYBODY is out to get Boost, so anybody with a draw or a decent made hand is coming along for the ride. If I'm ttanka I worry about calls from:

JT
TT
98
99/88/66
Any overpair
Any two clubs

...depending what he has, of course. If you're implying what I think you're implying, you put him on top set or the nut straight. Boost is not really a threat. But some or all of the above hands are, especially JT or the clubs, which are of course the most likely holdings by other players, and the most likely hands that would call but not raise getting good pot odds.

Unless of course ttanka is sitting there with Tc 7c. But that's a pretty specific hand right there.

[Xianti]

His name is Bustos (pronounced boostos).

This was a very surprising hand. We were all stunned that Fnord laid down his set of sixes.

[dalecooper]

So how did the rest of this go down? You fold, Boost folds, ttanka calls and wins with the nuts vs. Lan's overpair or combo-draw or two pair? So curious.

By the way, if you read Lan for a strong made hand, I can definitely see why you'd fold. You would seem to be getting pot odds to call against anything (excluding a higher set) because of your draw to fill up, but against two hands you have to think some of your outs may be dead. In particular if you're up against a made straight and top two pair, you're in really bad shape, outs-wise.

[Trikflow77]

the call by Ttanka doesnt bother me too much here, if he has the made straight i dont think he flat calls here with the flush draw and his straight could become second best. It is a lot of action before you act and a lot of action after you act, but in a 20 dollar game, you have enough outs vs the nuts to make this call, i would call it a slight gamble but not too much of one.......assuming no one has a higher set. And if you bust out, you can get a side game going and rip someone a new one

[Fnord]

Results:

Everyone mucks. Lan shows T 7, I take my cards out of the muck and show because it's the FTR bunch...

In retrospect, I think it was a bad laydown. Never folded a set on the flop before and don't suspect I ever will again.

[dalecooper]

"Everyone mucks"

Ha ha, sucka! Did ttanka say what he had? I'm really curious. I always read those flop quick-calls as flush or straight draws. The quickness is meant to discourage the bettor from more betting on later streets ("I may have a monster!") but usually indicates the opposite ("I am drawing, bet me out!").