a couple hands...filled with self doubt :\

[star5328]

$6.50 turbos...on stars...single table...i know i have leaks and need to improve on things...here are 2 hands i just played that i dont know if i did the right thing or not...help me out!!

PokerStars Game #2752911211: Tournament #13517334, Hold'em No Limit -
Level V (75/150) - 2005/10/08 - 03:33:44 (ET)
Table '13517334 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Cokebaby (1235 in chips)
Seat 2: texcoco (2660 in chips)
Seat 4: four_treys (4985 in chips)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 (2795 in chips)
Seat 7: SoTryMe (1825 in chips)
four_treys: posts small blind 75
m_mathers_69: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to m_mathers_69 [Ah Js]
SoTryMe: folds
Cokebaby: raises 1085 to 1235 and is all-in
texcoco: folds
four_treys: folds
m_mathers_69: calls 1085
*** FLOP *** [7c Kh Qs]
Cokebaby said, "gl"
*** TURN *** [7c Kh Qs] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [7c Kh Qs Kc] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
m_mathers_69: shows [Ah Js] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Cokebaby: shows [Ac Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Cokebaby collected 2545 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2545 | Rake 0
Board [7c Kh Qs Kc 7d]
Seat 1: Cokebaby showed [Ac Ks] and won (2545) with a full house, Kings
full of Sevens
Seat 2: texcoco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: four_treys (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 (big blind) showed [Ah Js] and lost with two pair,
Kings and Sevens
Seat 7: SoTryMe folded before Flop (didn't bet)


PokerStars Game #2752919490: Tournament #13517334, Hold'em No Limit -
Level VI (100/200) - 2005/10/08 - 03:35:48 (ET)
Table '13517334 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Cokebaby (2345 in chips)
Seat 2: texcoco (2210 in chips)
Seat 4: four_treys (5210 in chips)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 (1485 in chips)
Seat 7: SoTryMe (2250 in chips)
Cokebaby: posts small blind 100
texcoco: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to m_mathers_69 [Kd 8s]
four_treys: folds
m_mathers_69: raises 1285 to 1485 and is all-in
SoTryMe: folds
Cokebaby: raises 860 to 2345 and is all-in
texcoco: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 2d 3s]
*** TURN *** [3c 2d 3s] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [3c 2d 3s 9d] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cokebaby: shows [Qs Ac] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
m_mathers_69: shows [Kd 8s] (two pair, Threes and Deuces - lower
kicker)
m_mathers_69 is sitting out
Cokebaby collected 3170 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3170 | Rake 0
Board [3c 2d 3s 9d 2c]
Seat 1: Cokebaby (small blind) showed [Qs Ac] and won (3170) with two
pair, Threes and Deuces
Seat 2: texcoco (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: four_treys folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 showed [Kd 8s] and lost with two pair, Threes and
Deuces
Seat 7: SoTryMe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[vqc]

wihtout doing any calculations, I think they are both correct.

[Demiparadigm]

wihtout doing any calculations, I think they are both correct.

I disagree.

In the first hand you have a comfortable stack and no need to get involved.
In the second hand you are risking all your 1500 chips to win 300. I don't think this is such a crucial point that you have to risk your tournament on crap.

Neither play is horrible, but neither is great either. I think the second is clearly wrong in terms of ICM.

[star5328]

How about these??


PokerStars Game #2753000264: Tournament #13517979, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2005/10/08 - 03:57:20 (ET)
Table '13517979 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: m_mathers_69 (2870 in chips)
Seat 2: MrChildren (895 in chips)
Seat 4: fourn (1210 in chips)
Seat 5: Quiriman (1575 in chips)
Seat 7: crzyhead420 (2170 in chips)
Seat 8: badsoup (4780 in chips)
crzyhead420: posts small blind 50
badsoup: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to m_mathers_69 [8h 8s]
m_mathers_69: raises 200 to 300
MrChildren: folds
fourn: raises 910 to 1210 and is all-in
Quiriman: folds
crzyhead420: folds
badsoup: folds
m_mathers_69: calls 910
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c Js]
*** TURN *** [3h 5c Js] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [3h 5c Js Ad] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
m_mathers_69: shows [8h 8s] (a pair of Eights)
fourn: shows [9h 9d] (a pair of Nines)
fourn collected 2570 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2570 | Rake 0
Board [3h 5c Js Ad 2d]
Seat 1: m_mathers_69 showed [8h 8s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: MrChildren folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fourn showed [9h 9d] and won (2570) with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: Quiriman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: crzyhead420 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: badsoup (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #2752982630: Tournament #13517737, Hold'em No Limit -
Level V (75/150) - 2005/10/08 - 03:52:23 (ET)
Table '13517737 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: tntamc (4515 in chips)
Seat 3: MatTyMiLLs (2220 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr Goesnya (3550 in chips)
Seat 8: ChazNuts (1985 in chips)
Seat 9: m_mathers_69 (1230 in chips)
Dr Goesnya: posts small blind 75
ChazNuts: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to m_mathers_69 [Kd Tc]
m_mathers_69: raises 1080 to 1230 and is all-in
tntamc: folds
MatTyMiLLs: folds
Dr Goesnya: calls 1155
ChazNuts: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h 3c 8h]
*** TURN *** [6h 3c 8h] [As]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3c 8h As] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dr Goesnya: shows [6c 9c] (a pair of Sixes)
m_mathers_69: shows [Kd Tc] (high card Ace)
Dr Goesnya collected 2610 from pot
MatTyMiLLs said, "wow"
MatTyMiLLs said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2610 | Rake 0
Board [6h 3c 8h As 4c]
Seat 2: tntamc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MatTyMiLLs (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Dr Goesnya (small blind) showed [6c 9c] and won (2610) with a
pair of Sixes
Seat 8: ChazNuts (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: m_mathers_69 showed [Kd Tc] and lost with high card Ace

[vqc]

wihtout doing any calculations, I think they are both correct.

I disagree.

In the first hand you have a comfortable stack and no need to get involved.
In the second hand you are risking all your 1500 chips to win 300. I don't think this is such a crucial point that you have to risk your tournament on crap.

Neither play is horrible, but neither is great either. I think the second is clearly wrong in terms of ICM.

I remember once, 6 handed with 5xBB UTG it was right to push 96s.

[star5328]

??? i pushed KT he called with 96s

[vqc]

??? i pushed KT he called with 96s

im talking about a different hand =D, one from past experience, to try and illustrate that the K8 push from the first post might not be that bad.

[star5328]

yea i really dont know whats right and wrong anymore...i get mixed opinions...i was playing a turbo and in irc at the same time...i had 2 people telling me what to do with hands and they were telling me different things....demi likes to only raise when he has 10bb...michael will push with 12bb...the variance in these $6.50s is rediculous i need some money... its rarely me calling off my stack to bust...i dont blind out...i always make a push and usually end up either a 3:2 favorite or a 3:2 dog because of all of that weird calls....people like to make...for example 96s with no money in the pot... lambchop thinks maybe i need to step up the aggression because i always bust at 75/150 or 100/200 because i have to push my 6-8bb stack with a ragged A or a random hand because im in position and its folded to me...

[zenbitz]

I think all these plays are understandable, but pretty marginal - you are looking for coinflips, and ending up dominated.

The last one is probably the best value since you are so short.

You could make a case for/against any of the other three - I would say it depends on your reads of the villians and tables.

[JeffreyGB]

wihtout doing any calculations, I think they are both correct.

I disagree.

In the first hand you have a comfortable stack and no need to get involved.
In the second hand you are risking all your 1500 chips to win 300. I don't think this is such a crucial point that you have to risk your tournament on crap.

Neither play is horrible, but neither is great either. I think the second is clearly wrong in terms of ICM.

In the first hand, it depends on the type of player you're against. Probably a good play, unless you had reason to think that they'd only raise hands that beat AJ.

If you're bluffing here (2nd hand), you pretty much have to push. It depends a bit on the table texture (if many better hands are going to fold or not). You definitely do need to make some moves, as the blinds will be taking over 20% of your stack (and conversely a 20% increase comes from the steal). Assuming you're against an average or tighter table, this play looks decent to me.

[JeffreyGB]

I think you can find a better spot than calling on the 88 hand. At best you're a coinflip, and you still have a comfortable stack. Let it go and find a spot where you're less contested.

Honestly, I might drop it preflop given the poor position. (Though this is iffy, since you are 6-handed).

[TLR]

I dont like the K8 and KT push. You can wait for a better position to push

[JeffreyGB]

I dont like the K8 and KT push. You can wait for a better position to push

The K8 push was a valid steal attempt. He was CO and only had to go through the button and blinds. I'm not sure he's going to find a much better spot (depends on the table).

The KT push was fairly poor, simply because he was UTG. Position is a huge factor in how good/poor these plays are. When you don't have it, your play is vastly weakened.

[star5328]

see thats the thing... $6.50 turbo...i dont know how to read a table and figure things out...when i try that i never remember anything because im trying to watch everyone....i duno...