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    Default Too timid?

    In a recent SnG, this hand came up. Am I wrong to fold? What would you put villain on?

    At the time I thought it was a good laydown, and that I wanted to have enough chips left to be able to contend in the SnG. Checking the playback now - I'm not that sure.

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    SB (t1835)
    BB (t1420)
    UTG (t1345)
    UTG+1 (t1975)
    MP1 (t1115)
    MP2 (t1095)
    MP3 (t1080)
    Hero (t1335)
    Button (t2300)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with T, T.
    5 folds, Hero raises to t180, 1 fold, SB calls t165, 1 fold.

    Flop: (t390) 6, 3, A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t180, SB calls t180.

    Turn: (t750) 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    River: (t750) K (2 players)
    SB bets t300, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t1050
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    Your flop bet is a big sign of weakness. You either have a set of aces or nothing.

    limp to set preflop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    limp to set preflop.
    what???
    folded to you on CO with TT and deep stacks and you limp????
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    My guess is something like AQs or AJs, given villain called your 6x BB PF raise and, your half-pot flop cont-bet and then checked on the turn to try to hit the backdoor flush. The 300 bet on the river into a 750 pot screams value bet to me.

    I agree with gabe, I would raise TT pre-flop (probably 3-4x BB rather than 6x BB though). Agree with the cont-bet on the flop; I would proceed with caution as you did since the c-bet on the flop was called.
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    Don't vary your preflop bets based on hand strenght, huge tell. Also you're obviously beat, and if you're not he outplayed you and used your weak bets against you. Fold, fold, and fold. He has Ax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Your flop bet is a big sign of weakness. You either have a set of aces or nothing.

    limp to set preflop.

    -'rilla
    stacks are too deep to just limp.
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    deep stacks = more reason to limp, not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Your flop bet is a big sign of weakness. You either have a set of aces or nothing.

    limp to set preflop.

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    stacks are too deep to just limp.
    I don't see what deep stacks have to do with making limping less appealing. A smaller preflop cost vrs stack ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    limp to set preflop.
    what???
    folded to you on CO with TT and deep stacks and you limp????
    I originally replied yes knowing that I often would raise with TT when it's folded to me early but not becuase I feel the stacks are too deep.

    Are you saying I have too much maneuvering room + positon post flop to just try to set/forget with this hand?

    I usually raise becuase TT is better than the blind hands and becuase I can almost always see a free card on a bad flop.

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    You raise here becuase You probably have the best hand.

    Add position here and deep stacks and u have a situation where TT is WAYYYY too good to be setting or forgetting.
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    I raise but I don't raise 6xBB. I don't really understand that raise... looks like a scared bet, and it gets too much money in the pot if you get called by overcards or a bigger pair like jacks. This hand could quickly get you in trouble with that raise up front. I like a standard-verging-on-modest raise here... maybe make it 90 and see what happens. A little action isn't so bad. Continuation bet most flops, take a free card if the board has two overs or too much coordination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    You raise here becuase You probably have the best hand.

    Add position here and deep stacks and u have a situation where TT is WAYYYY too good to be setting or forgetting.
    Can you explain why deep stacks would make this a better situation than if everyone had 15/20 bets?

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