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  1. #1

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    I'm not editing the results out because the fact that I'm posting this would make it pretty obvious what he had. I was thinking there's no way he'd call a push with that extreme shortstack about to go out, and if he had a big hand he would have raised to be safe and keep me from seeing a free flop. Guess he outplayed me bad. I knew that he was a solid player...I suppose that should have made the limp suspect.


    PokerStars Game #2803566807: Tournament #13788881, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/10/14 - 17:55:39 (ET)
    Table '13788881 1' Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Gmoney2323 (7610 in chips)
    Seat 2: tucktheduck (260 in chips)
    Seat 4: Confused1 (2590 in chips)
    Seat 5: Rockymv (3040 in chips)
    Gmoney2323: posts the ante 25
    tucktheduck: posts the ante 25
    Confused1: posts the ante 25
    Rockymv: posts the ante 25
    Confused1: posts small blind 200
    Rockymv: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Rockymv [Qh 9c]
    Gmoney2323: folds
    tucktheduck: folds
    Confused1: calls 200
    Rockymv: raises 2400 to 2800
    Confused1: calls 2165 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 7c 9s]
    *** TURN *** [Qc 7c 9s] [5h]
    tucktheduck said, "lol"
    *** RIVER *** [Qc 7c 9s 5h] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Confused1: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    Rockymv: shows [Qh 9c] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
    Rockymv said, "sry man"
    Gmoney2323 said, "wow..."
    Rockymv collected 5230 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5230 | Rake 0
    Board [Qc 7c 9s 5h 4d]
    Seat 1: Gmoney2323 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: tucktheduck (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Confused1 (small blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 5: Rockymv (big blind) showed [Qh 9c] and won (5230) with two pair, Queens and Nines
  2. #2
    Why did you post? Slow playing AA should never be considered outplaying some one, every fish in the world knows how to do that.

    You should have just raised if you were going to do anything, he would have folded to a raise if he had a foldable hand, you didn't have to risk all your chips with Q9.
  3. #3
    He was definitely looking to trap you. One possibility is that you'd been raising a lot and he figured you were good for a raise here, which he could re-raise and end the hand early. Another possibility is that he figured aces were strong enough to be worth gambling on with a limp. A lot of good post-flop players will take that risk if they think they can bust somebody out by doing so. The third possibility of course is that he's just a fish.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by zboyce
    Why did you post? Slow playing AA should never be considered outplaying some one, every fish in the world knows how to do that.
    In the right hands it can be a useful weapon though. Two players can perform the same action with different intentions and from one player, it's stupid... from the other, a calculated and smart risk. I'm not saying which one this qualifies as, because I have no idea from one hand history.

    To give you an example, a good friend of mine in my home game raises 98% of the time with aces. He hates slowplaying anything except the mortal nuts. But last time we played a tournament, he actually limped aces from the small blind - just like in this hand - because the big blind was a mega-LAgg who was raising every time my friend limped, or checked a hand post-flop. He knew a raise might result in a fold + small pot, but a limp was an open invitation to a hyper-aggressive player. The aggro guy was obliging and pushed, and my friend gladly called. (And just like here, got sucked out on by 95 suited... oh the pain.)

    You should have just raised if you were going to do anything, he would have folded to a raise if he had a foldable hand, you didn't have to risk all your chips with Q9.
    That much I agree with... psychotic raise considering the stack sizes of other players. I don't bother playing pre-flop games against fellow big stacks when a little stack is so close to extinction. I know our hero was relying on that mindset to steal some chips, but I still think the push is ridiculous - even if I didn't know what the other guy had. You're risking way too much with a crummy hand.
  5. #5
    i make pushes like this all the time.

    lots of "good players" will limp here and fold anyways.
  6. #6
    What I meant by saying he outplayed me:

    With the very very short stack hanging on, this wouldn't generally seem like the ideal time for a trap...unless he knew that i would raise because i was thinking it didn't seem like an ideal time for a trap. Does that make sense?
  7. #7
    ok then yes.

    he read u very well.
    He figured that becuase there was a shirt stack, and u had people covered u would push trying to pick on people.

    Obvoiusly u didn thave a read on him before hand that u knew that he was this smart. Although if u take it further, it all comes down to Fnords "Fuck it Im showing down the hand".
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    himself fucker.
    He pwns you, but I probably push as well unless his completion is out of the ordinary.

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