smart check or too timid with the nuts?

[Sarahhhh]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t49164)
BB (t16775)
UTG (t19105)
UTG+1 (t21633)
MP1 (t30875)
MP2 (t20500)
Hero (t18420)
Button (t5610)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
UTG calls t400, UTG+1 calls t400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t1600, 3 folds, UTG calls t1200, UTG+1 calls t1200.

Flop: (t4975) T, 6, 2 (3 players)
UTG bets t1600, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t1600.

Turn: (t8175) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t3200, Hero calls t3200.

River: (t14575) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t14575

Results in white below:
UTG has 3d 3s (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kd Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t14575.

[PokerPatNEU]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t49164)
BB (t16775)
UTG (t19105)
UTG+1 (t21633)
MP1 (t30875)
MP2 (t20500)
Hero (t18420)
Button (t5610)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
UTG calls t400, UTG+1 calls t400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t1600, 3 folds, UTG calls t1200, UTG+1 calls t1200.

Flop: (t4975) T, 6, 2 (3 players)
UTG bets t1600, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t1600.

Turn: (t8175) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t3200, Hero calls t3200.

River: (t14575) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t14575

Results in white below:
UTG has 3d 3s (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kd Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t14575.

Where is the player with J9?

[gabe]

if you think playing it passively will get more chips out of them, at least value bet the river. about 1/3 of the pot sounds right.

[ChrisBCritter]

So... who exactly has the nuts in this hand again??

[Trikflow77]

i believe j9 would be te nuts, not kk........

[TanO]

Raise the turn

[drmcboy]

It's a good check on the river. Raise the flop.

Your homework is to write down every hand that beats KK here.

[lowBoy]

It's a good check on the river. Raise the flop.

Your homework is to write down every hand that beats KK here.

And there should be quite a few answers on that homework sheet, but I think the check behind is smart.

The nuts refers to the BEST POSSIBLE HAND, not the winning hand. If you really had the nuts, you wouldn't be timid at all.

[Staple Gun]

Reraise the flop.

[STIdrivr]

Ya you have to re raise the flop or the turn

[evilevilmatt]

I'll take the homwork challange.
J9 = the nuts
any 9 = str8
TT,88,77,66,22 = trips
T8,T7,T6,T2,87,86,82,76,72,62 = 2pair
Did I win?

[Jimmy Mac]

I would raise the flop here without some super solid read - if you flat call and an Ace falls on the turn, your cowboys wont look so good. Protect your hand. Given that you called the flop, you really need to raise the turn hard on a board that is starting to coordinate.

I like the river check - no way i'm betting there.

[PokerPatNEU]

I'll take the homwork challange.
J9 = the nuts
any 9 = str8
TT,88,77,66,22 = trips
T8,T7,T6,T2,87,86,82,76,72,62 = 2pair
Did I win?

You forgot AA.

[gabe]

and 45

[evilevilmatt]

You forgot AA.

and 45

Well kick me in the jimmy. I feel like an ar$e.

[Hubris1]

The check behind on the river is fine, no reraise on the flop is a huge leak.

Here's how it breaks down:

You, 1600 bet, gets two callers, thats a big fucking pot. Homeboy bets out to try and steal the pot with trey trey on the flop by betting exactly what you bet preflop which is nothing with two callers and the blinds + antes in that pot. By calling here, you then call a 3200 bet on the turn with still NO information. By reraising 1600 (A min, which is almost as scary a reraise to a good player out of position as a heavy reraise. or 2000-2400 (Because your hand is still very likely best.) then you find out exactly what he has, if you are scared of a set, which you appear to be, then when he plays back at you you know what he has and you can dump the hand or make a hard call here.

So, you end up paying 1600+3200 by your current play + any river bet or give up any chance at the pot assuming he caught something because you never reraised you have NO information, you're flying in teh dark. = 4800

On the other hand, a reraise on the flop costs you much less and you take back control of the hand and allows for a very large bet on the turn if he calls. It costs you, 1600+1600-2400= 3200-4000. Less, and you get information.

Even if he does have a set of tens, it is STILL the proper play to reraise him here. + You get more money in the pot with the better hand because a turn bet has yet to come, and you find out if you are beat or not, avoiding a blind decisionon the river. If you get played back at, make an informed decision.