All-in overbet experiment.

[dsaxton]

A few hands prior to this I'd done a similar move with a pair and a flush draw (and missed, incidentally) against a player who reraised me preflop, so I decided to try it again, this time with a more powerful hand. The thinking being it looks like another semi-bluff, and may very well get called by an overpair while putting the maximum pressure on any drawing hands. I was also thinking I may have difficulty getting the money in another way, since a lot of cards could come on the turn which would put an end to any action I might get on the flop, and getting into a raising war on the flop with a player who reraised preflop is too indicative of strength.

Any other thoughts on this play or similar ones?

PokerStars Game #2886089276: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2005/10/24 - 22:26:37 (ET)
Table 'Palma' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Cherokee07 ($106 in chips)
Seat 2: gandi9 ($411 in chips)
Seat 3: Supalova ($265.10 in chips)
Seat 4: MrLECh29 ($444.70 in chips)
Seat 5: dsaxton ($413.40 in chips)
Seat 6: woowoo20 ($478.80 in chips)
Supalova: posts small blind $2
MrLECh29: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [9d 9c]
dsaxton: raises $12 to $16
woowoo20: calls $16
Cherokee07: folds
gandi9: raises $24 to $40
Supalova: folds
MrLECh29: folds
dsaxton: calls $24
woowoo20: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [8h Ts 9s]
dsaxton: bets $373.40 and is all-in
woowoo20 said, "tiilllttttt"
woowoo20: folds
MrLECh29 said, "wow"
MrLECh29 said, "quite the bet"
gandi9: calls $371 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h Ts 9s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [8h Ts 9s 5s] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dsaxton: shows [9d 9c] (three of a kind, Nines)
gandi9: mucks hand
dsaxton collected $865 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $868 | Rake $3
Board [8h Ts 9s 5s 3h]
Seat 1: Cherokee07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: gandi9 (button) mucked [Kh Kd]
Seat 3: Supalova (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: MrLECh29 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: dsaxton showed [9d 9c] and won ($865) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: woowoo20 folded on the Flop

[Fnord]

*yawn*

Pretty much standard if you're going to play big draws the same way, although it's usually all-in on the first or second bump post-flop.

[dsaxton]

*yawn*

Pretty much standard if you're going to play big draws the same way, although it's usually all-in on the first or second bump post-flop.

How long have you been sitting here clicking refresh before you saw I posted another hand history?

[Fnord]

How long have you been sitting here clicking refresh before you saw I posted another hand history?

lol

Just about to leave work and thought I'd drop in.

[lolzzz_321]

I <3 it.

[dsaxton]

Apparently it does not excite Fnord's interest. I apologize everyone.

We need more posts like check-calling with a nut draw, then check-raising all-in with the nuts on the turn. Those are more enlightening.

[Fnord]

We need more posts like check-calling with a nut draw, then check-raising all-in with the nuts on the turn. Those are more enlightening.

...or check/calling the under-full then putting it all in on the river.

On a less cynical note, Spirt Rock does this stuff all the time. Splashes around in small pots to create the illusion of action, then over-plays the nuts and gets paid. Although, he'll bet the farm with just air sometimes as well to balance it out. It's a style I've been trying to imitate a bit.

[homeboy604]

real nice play. i cant believe he called 400 with just a pair! nice play to exploit the read.

[Fnord]

real nice play. i cant believe he called 400 with just a pair! nice play to exploit the read.

It throws off thinking players. Had a notorious little hand against Micheal1123 in a home game once.

100bb stacks.
Mike opens for 3x (he has 2 cards)
I re-raise with QQ.
Flop is something like T-7-rag

Mike checks, I push, Mike thinks, puts me on AK and calls with 7x.

[Zangief]

This overbet hand reminds me of another one you posted a while ago, dsaxton:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=19017

Certainly different hands, but maybe related.

[r8ed]

I think if you checked, he was betting high or all-in to protect his Kings with that flop. I understand the concept though. I've been looking for spots to do that in as well.

[Zangief]

I think if you checked, he was betting high or all-in to protect his Kings with that flop. I understand the concept though. I've been looking for spots to do that in as well.

Actually his opponent went all-in on the river with a big overbet with 2 pair and dsaxton called with TPTK.

[dsaxton]

I think if you checked, he was betting high or all-in to protect his Kings with that flop. I understand the concept though. I've been looking for spots to do that in as well.

Actually his opponent went all-in on the river with a big overbet with 2 pair and dsaxton called with TPTK.

Second pair, and he isn't talking about that hand.

[dsaxton]

This overbet hand reminds me of another one you posted a while ago, dsaxton:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=19017

Certainly different hands, but maybe related.

I know. I decided a while after posting that hand history that his probably wasn't that bad of a play.

[Zangief]

I think if you checked, he was betting high or all-in to protect his Kings with that flop. I understand the concept though. I've been looking for spots to do that in as well.

Actually his opponent went all-in on the river with a big overbet with 2 pair and dsaxton called with TPTK.

Second pair, and he isn't talking about that hand.

Sorry, late night posting got the best of me. Ignore my BS above.

[Rondavu]

I've done this before at 50NL. I decided that any tight read bluff would be all in and any time I had a winning hand I would go all in. I set a trend of overbetting. It loosens the shit out of a table in no time, and it's a blast if done properly. Eventually just start pushing all in with any reasonably solid edge.

[jmontis]

there are tons of tight players who won't call huge bets with even top pair, it's really amazing

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[Lexicon Devil]

Wow, it actually works:

$200 NL

PREFLOP
Villain: limps from EP
Hero: limps from cutoff [Jd, Ts]
Otherguy: minraises from button
Villain calls
Hero calls

FLOP - [10d, 8s, Js ] - Pot is $15
Villain checks
Hero bets $8
Otherguy folds
Villain calls $8

TURN - [10d, 8s, Js, 9c] - Pot is $31
Villain checks
Hero checks

RIVER - [10d, 8s, Js, 9c, Jc] - Pot is $31
Villain bets $10
Hero bets $275.90 (all-in)
Villain calls $174.10 (allin)


Villain shows [9h, 9d]
Hero shows [Jd, Ts]

Hero wins $488

[Fnord]

yes but there are a ton of players who will

...and consider the math of the matter. Getting paid off big a couple times can be more profitable than getting paid off a little a bunch of times.