TT - better play?

[adiamant]

I had a TT early in an 1.50+0.25 18 seat turbo on stars. On the queen high flop, I tried being aggressive, yet cautios. Maybe too cautios?
How would you play this differently?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t2010)
UTG (t1995)
UTG+1 (t1710)
MP1 (t710)
Hero (t1540)
MP3 (t1260)
CO (t980)
Button (t1415)
SB (t1880)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t60, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, Button calls t150, SB calls t135, 1 fold, MP1 calls t90.

Flop: (t630) Q, 7, 9 (4 players)
SB bets t120, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t240, Button folds, SB calls t120.

Turn: (t1110) A (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero calls t60.

River: (t1230) K (2 players)
SB bets t120, Hero calls t120.

Final Pot: t1470

Results in white below:
SB has 6c 9c (one pair, nines).
Hero has Td Tc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t1470.

[Rockymv]

first, i wouldn't have reraised preflop. once three people call your PF raise, i'm not raising a bet on a flop with an overcard.

[TLR]

first, i wouldn't have reraised preflop. once three people call your PF raise, i'm not raising a bet on a flop with an overcard.

That was my initial feeling as well, then I saw it is 1.50 turbo on stars.
In such low stakes the field is very loose.
In this case I would raise more preflop to thin out the field.

[LeFou]

I don't play many of these, but if I'm right it's the turbo -- not the low stakes -- that makes it smart to play fast like this. I mean the PF and flop raises/reraises.

I'd fold the turn though. It's extremely unlikely that you're ahead. Is this call-down what you mean by "too cautious"?

ick ... i just looked again at how small those turn and river bets were. still, i think it's probably throwing good money after bad. Looks like bait.

[Scuba Chuck]

These are the kind of hands I always shake my head at. Both Hero and villain played this hand like knuckleheads.

[vqc]

These are the kind of hands I always shake my head at. Both Hero and villain played this hand like knuckleheads.

so wat should he have done?

[gabe]

not reraised preflop, fold the flop.

[Robert]

These are the kind of hands I always shake my head at. Both Hero and villain played this hand like knuckleheads.

if you are going to critize someone then please do it in a constructive way (your other posts have been gOOt, but dont be too hard on newcomers to this board).

About the hand, I would just coldcall preflop and check/fold the flop. Blinds are low so you can just play weaktight - you are playing for the set or an overpair here ( and even an overpair can be folded if theres to much action)

[a500lbgorilla]

The only reason to re-raise preflop would be to isolate the original raiser.

It's an awesome idea but you just can't use it at these tables. Becuase you completely failed to isolate.

Then minraising the flop is pretty useless since you wont fold out any flush draws or TP any kickers.. You probably wont fold out anyone. This would be a sweet value bet but you dont have any value with your hand.

-'rilla

[Scuba Chuck]

These are the kind of hands I always shake my head at. Both Hero and villain played this hand like knuckleheads.

if you are going to critize someone then please do it in a constructive way (your other posts have been gOOt, but dont be too hard on newcomers to this board).

Many times, it's better to let people think about their decisions. There is no one right answer to play poker. In most of my previous posts, I've offered alternative lines, but the reason I didn't respond with an alternative line is because things could have gone so many different ways here.

Besides, there's enough others to respond to how to have considered playing this preflop and postflop. And frankly, this guy isn't likely going to listen to fold the flop because he won the hand.

Ugh, the human brain has a unique learning mechanism. It learns that when it makes a mistake, not to do that again. When it is rewarded, it learns to do that again. Here is a likely scenario where the brain may have been misdirected. Poker is not a game that has a natural learning process, because we can be rewarded for mistakes, and penalized for our good plays.

Seriously, I hope our hero understands this. But we're talking hundreds of hours of playing, and tens of thousands of hands before most of this kind of stuff begins to settle in. We all start off too loose and aggressive. Then we begin to pull the reigns in. Sometimes becoming too tight. And it's a process to eventually figure out what style is most profitable. We all say we're tight and aggressive. But often times, people don't understand that.

Anyway, to my post, I made it clear that they both played it poorly. Our hero is lucky that his opponent is a huge donkey. He should hope to play with him often. Otherwise, as he moves up in buyins, he will be crushed. There is just too much to say about this hand without going into preflop strategy first. Raising to isolate with TT and playing postflop has it's own problems. In fact, our hero played postflop pretty well, considering. But as he moves up in buyins, he's just spewing chips here.

[adiamant]

The only reason to re-raise preflop would be to isolate the original raiser.

It's an awesome idea but you just can't use it at these tables. Becuase you completely failed to isolate.

'rilla has it - I did intend to isolate. I was taken aback by getting 3 callers to a reraise.

After that I just read SBs smallish raise on the flop as weakness, and figured I can fire the second barrel. Once this was called I switched to check/fold mode, but his tiny bets on the turn and river compelled me to call. HoH said there's at least a 10% chance of a bluff, and I was getting better than 10:1 on both calls.
Imagine my surprise when I saw what SB called with originally.

To Scuba, yes, I do realize that the conclusion to draw here isn't that TT can win even against a full brodway board . Folding in the face of an over card on the flop is something I still need to promote from understanding into action. I do bet too much into overcards, I think.

Thanks for all the comments. Thanks to all of you I'm learning every time I come here to read or post. Keep it up!

[TLR]

If you want to isolate at a turbo 1.5 tournament you have to overbet excessively