Would you lay this down?

[CavemanWins]

Top pair, good kicker. What do you credit this guy with?

***** Hand History for Game 2956985443 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 30, 22:24:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 65652 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: dimpoul ( $18.27 )
Seat 3: Dandy812 ( $41.25 )
Seat 4: Bob681 ( $37.85 )
Seat 5: pwd9902 ( $24.75 )
Seat 6: CavemanWins ( $14.90 )
Seat 2: kempner ( $31 )
kempner posts small blind [$0.10].
Dandy812 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ Ad Qc ]
Bob681 calls [$0.25].
pwd9902 folds.
CavemanWins raises [$1.25].
dimpoul folds.
kempner folds.
Dandy812 calls [$1].
Bob681 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, As, 4s ]
Dandy812 checks.
Bob681 checks.
CavemanWins bets [$2.50].
Dandy812 calls [$2.50].
Bob681 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
Dandy812 checks.
CavemanWins bets [$6].
Dandy812 is all-In.
CavemanWins -- ????

I hope my 6$ Turn bet "Ping" was appropriate. Just hope my sonar read on the return reply was accurate.....

[CavemanWins]

Second hand with AQ. Its amazing how some of these guys just manage to hit their 2 pair on crap. This guy Kempner was doing very well for himself tonight. I just couldnt get him to bet into me when I had the monster.

But the real question, was this a good fold on the flop?

***** Hand History for Game 2957099291 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 30, 22:43:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 65652 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: Bob681 ( $45.25 )
Seat 6: CavemanWins ( $18.05 )
Seat 2: kempner ( $40.32 )
Seat 1: MSUCOM ( $8.30 )
Seat 5: ksffighter ( $34.55 )
ksffighter posts small blind [$0.10].
CavemanWins posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ Ac Qd ]
MSUCOM folds.
kempner raises [$1].
Bob681 calls [$1].
ksffighter folds.
CavemanWins calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Ts, 6d ]
CavemanWins checks.
kempner bets [$2].
Bob681 calls [$2].
CavemanWins folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
kempner checks.
Bob681 bets [$2].
kempner calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
kempner checks.
Bob681 checks.
kempner shows [ Ad, 6s ] two pairs, aces and sixes.
Bob681 doesn't show [ Ks, Jd ] a pair of jacks.
kempner wins $10.55 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and sixes.

[CavemanWins]

Another AQ. I was thinking the guy had the str8. Would you all have put him all in at then end?

***** Hand History for Game 2958124752 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 31, 02:38:07 EDT 2005
Table Table 65040 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: jokeranco ( $11.78 )
Seat 4: entrapment1 ( $28.80 )
Seat 5: paco98107 ( $26.80 )
Seat 6: SkeyeDiver ( $25.45 )
Seat 2: CavemanWins ( $24.65 )
Seat 3: adnft ( $25 )
paco98107 posts small blind [$0.10].
SkeyeDiver posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ Qd As ]
jokeranco calls [$0.25].
CavemanWins raises [$1.25].
entrapment1 folds.
paco98107 folds.
SkeyeDiver calls [$1].
jokeranco folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 8h, Jc ]
SkeyeDiver checks.
CavemanWins bets [$1].
SkeyeDiver calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
SkeyeDiver checks.
CavemanWins bets [$2].
SkeyeDiver calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
SkeyeDiver checks.
CavemanWins bets [$3].
SkeyeDiver raises [$6].
CavemanWins calls [$3].
SkeyeDiver shows [ Ah, 8s ] two pairs, aces and eights.
CavemanWins shows [ Qd, As ] two pairs, aces and queens.
CavemanWins wins $19.85 from the main pot with

[CavemanWins]

The villian cold called all the way to the river with A-Rag before. Figured he was just tryin to ride me down. Any comments on this?

***** Hand History for Game 2958141483 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 31, 02:45:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 65040 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: jokeranco ( $7.08 )
Seat 4: entrapment1 ( $33.55 )
Seat 5: paco98107 ( $27.35 )
Seat 6: SkeyeDiver ( $27.65 )
Seat 2: CavemanWins ( $34.95 )
Seat 3: adnft ( $24.40 )
CavemanWins posts small blind [$0.10].
adnft posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ 5h 5d ]
entrapment1 calls [$0.25].
paco98107 calls [$0.25].
SkeyeDiver calls [$0.25].
jokeranco calls [$0.25].
CavemanWins calls [$0.15].
adnft checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 5s, 6s ]
CavemanWins bets [$1].
adnft folds.
CavemanWins: got dialup?
entrapment1 raises [$2].
paco98107 folds.
SkeyeDiver calls [$2].
jokeranco folds.
CavemanWins raises [$7].
entrapment1 folds.
SkeyeDiver calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
CavemanWins bets [$20].
SkeyeDiver is all-In [$19.40]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
CavemanWins shows [ 5h, 5d ] three of a kind, fives.
SkeyeDiver shows [ 4s, 3s ] a flush, king high.
CavemanWins wins $0.60 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, fives.
SkeyeDiver wins $55.40 from the main pot with a flush, king high.

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[CavemanWins]

And lastly.. What about this one?

***** Hand History for Game 2958350472 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 31, 04:40:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 64982 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 6: ASS__74 ( $65.60 )
Seat 3: CavemanWins ( $30.94 )
Seat 5: caenglish ( $25.47 )
Seat 2: vbc603 ( $37.45 )
Seat 4: StridenAA ( $27.80 )
CavemanWins posts small blind [$0.10].
StridenAA posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ 4d 3d ]
caenglish calls [$0.25].
ASS__74 has been reconnected and has 14 seconds to act.
hes due a raise
1 in 5 hands
ASS__74 did not respond in time.
ASS__74 folds.
vbc603 calls [$0.25].
CavemanWins calls [$0.15].
StridenAA checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 3h, 8d ]
CavemanWins checks.
StridenAA checks.
caenglish checks.
vbc603 bets [$1].
CavemanWins calls [$1].
StridenAA folds.
caenglish folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
CavemanWins checks.
vbc603 bets [$2].
CavemanWins raises [$4].
vbc603 is all-In [$34.20]
56?
Set?
CavemanWins folds.
vbc603 shows [ 9c, 9s ] a pair of nines.
vbc603 wins $42.65 from the main pot with a pair of nines.
caenglish has left the table.

[CavemanWins]

Wow. This night was another 100$ loss for the night. Check out this guy. (Let me know if someone else wouldn't have done the same)

***** Hand History for Game 2958373237 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 31, 04:55:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 64982 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: CavemanWins ( $27.44 )
Seat 2: vbc603 ( $98.60 )
Seat 4: StridenAA ( $31.45 )
Seat 5: Kaz729 ( $13.25 )
Seat 1: krykow99 ( $9.40 )
StridenAA posts small blind [$0.10].
Kaz729 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CavemanWins [ Qc Ac ]
CavemanWins: so vb.. How does it feel?
krykow99 folds.
vbc603 calls [$0.25].
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CavemanWins raises [$0.75].
StridenAA calls [$0.65].
Kaz729 calls [$0.50].
vbc603 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Tc, 4c ]
StridenAA checks.
Kaz729 checks.
vbc603 bets [$1].
mrbad222 has joined the table.
CavemanWins calls [$1].
StridenAA folds.
Kaz729 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
vbc603 bets [$2].
CavemanWins is all-In [$25.69]
vbc603 calls [$23.69].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
vbc603 shows [ Td, Ts ] a full house, Tens full of jacks.
CavemanWins doesn't show [ Qc, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
vbc603 wins $54.38 from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of jacks.


But I am sure it felt good for him! He even said "Ty" after the hand was done. Good thing I have no more money in my account. I think I would have buyed back in untill I got him.

Caveman

[dalecooper]

Woooo, lots to cover here. Let's see:

hand 1 - fold, he's got the flush. I wouldn't bet so much on the turn with an unimproved top pair; maybe $4.

hand 2 - is fine. Out of position and since you weren't the pre-flop raiser, you want an ace or queen to stay in the hand. You can't call $2 with just overcards that you don't even know are live (and as you can see at the end, the aces were not).

hand 3 - I definitely raise again on the end, maybe another $6. I'm not laying that down. The river card could not have hurt you... if he happens to have a set or KT, you pay him off, sadly. Most of the time you're ahead of AJ, A8, or some other worse hand here, and you definitely make up for an occasional loss by re-raising for value.

hand 4 - pretty unfortunate that he had you beat already, but you had a powerful draw to fill up and win anyway. I probably play it the same. He could be playing that way with either a flush or straight draw; the fact that he stopped raising you on the flop is kind of baffling, since lots of cards may hurt his hand.

hand 5 - check-raise the flop hard. Your hand is very vulnerable so don't give up free cards. The laydown is a grey area but I'd probably fold too. You lost an opportunity to define your hand on the flop; the turn card made everything scary and you didn't know where you were. In general you should not slowplay two pair - a check-raise is fine but a smooth call is a bad idea, especially with bottom two pair. That hand is very open to the draw-out.

Last hand - two powerful hands meet up and he gets luckier than you. It sucks but it happens. That would be a very hard fold for most players, especially considering your wild raise on the turn - he thinks/hopes/prays you're bluffing, and if you're not he hopes to suck out on you by pairing the board or hitting the case ten. You got unlucky there, is all.

[dalecooper]

By the way, note that hands 4 and 6 are basically the same but with the roles reversed, and when you had the set you got unlucky by not filling up, and when he had the set you got unlucky because HE filled up. That's how variance happens. Neither hand was badly played by any participant but you got the wrong end of the stick twice.

[CavemanWins]

I hate variance...

What's interesting is my history with sets. I've noticed that 3 of a kind and Flushes is my worst hand; I have won the most with straights. This seems a bit odd to me, but then again 7,000 hands are probably not enough to make a conclusion in this area.

And for the first hand... I did give him credit for the flush. I thought my 6$ bet was appropriate, especialy since I bet 2/3 of the pot on the flop and he was next to act after me. I didn't feel he had the pot odds to call.

.......Hand Continued......
Dandy812 is all-In.
CavemanWins folds.
Dandy812 does not show cards.
Dandy812 wins $51.35
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[dalecooper]

The $6 bet is not horrible and not a mistake - it's just a personal preference that I like to slow down with an unimproved top pair as the hand goes along. My usual line when out of position is 2/3 pot on the flop, 1/2 pot on the turn, and if the river is a blank I'll often check to induce a bluff and call most bets. This changes at times depending on the board and my opponent, but that's a very typical play for me.