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  1. #1

    Default Big mistake (well duh, but...)?

    As u can see a got busted out so of course this was a mistake, but I don't see how I could have avoided it.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em 2 Table $10+1 SnG Tourney

    Blinds: t100/t200 (8/18 players remaining)

    BB (t4650)
    UTG (t4365)
    UTG+1 (t4300)
    Hero(?) (t2550)
    MP2 (t3575)
    CO (t2435)
    Button (t2095)
    SB (t3030)

    Preflop: Hero(?) is MP1 with J, A.
    2 folds, Hero(?) raises to t600, 4 folds, BB calls t400.

    Flop: (t1300) 9, A, 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero(?) bets t1300, BB calls t1300.

    Turn: (t3900) 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero(?) bets t650 (All-In), BB calls t650.

    River: (t5200) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t5200

    Results:
    BB has A A (three of a kind, aces).
    Hero(?) has J A (one pair, aces).
    Outcome: BB wins t5200. [/color]

    ****************
    The BB had been playing tight and solid before this hand so I was a bit wary but I put him on a lower (than AA...) pair, or possibly a weaker Ace, since he was in the BB and didn't re-raise PF... He obviously had a perfect read on me - since he opted to check his pocket aces PF, I mean - holding AA, he knew I'd fold to any raise.

    My alarms went off when he check-called my pot sized bet on the flop but by then I was too pot committed to fold.

    My take is that I was simply outplayed on the flop - but I dont see how I could have played it differently (except for folding instead of raising PF). Do you? Also, do you think it was a mistake raising with AJo pf considering my stack size, # of remaining players and the blinds (going up to t100/t200 Ante t25 right after this hand)?
  2. #2
    Your play is solid. I wouldn't have done anything different. You were just unlucky to be against aces and when the ace hit the flop it compounded the problem. No worries.
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  3. #3
    push the flop.

    and think about why ur raising here...
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    push the flop.
    I don't understand what u mean by that. I don't see how going AI on the flop could have pushed him out - he knew he had the nuts at that point and there were no possible st8s or flushes on the board. The only possible threat to him would have been 86 (which would have been a nice hand to hold since it would have made a str8 on the turn...), but I don't see him folding to an AI bet on the flop because of that risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    and think about why ur raising here...
    Yeah, that's one possible spot where I think I could improve my game, the raise was a bit unnecessary, maybe.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Operandi
    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    push the flop.
    I don't understand what u mean by that. I don't see how going AI on the flop could have pushed him out - he knew he had the nuts at that point and there were no possible st8s or flushes on the board. The only possible threat to him would have been 86 (which would have been a nice hand to hold since it would have made a str8 on the turn...), but I don't see him folding to an AI bet on the flop because of that risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    and think about why ur raising here...
    Yeah, that's one possible spot where I think I could improve my game, the raise was a bit unnecessary, maybe.
    pushing the flop wouldnt have pushed him out, but wihtout knowing his cards it wouldve been the right play to make.

    you have 1300 in the pot and 1600 behind. You need to push this flop with TP dk.

    Are you stealing here with AJ? value raising pf? What happens when u miss the flop? Are you going to c-bet and potentially dropping a large chunkc of ur stack if you miss the flop, cbet, and he pushes over?
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    I think on the flop bet less and dont commit yourself, maybe half the pot. If he came over the top then you could fold thinking trips or two pair.

    If you bet say 500 on the flop and he called, then I could see you losing your chips.

    I just think a smaller bet on the flop would have given you more outs.
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    pushing the flop wouldnt have pushed him out, but wihtout knowing his cards it wouldve been the right play to make.

    you have 1300 in the pot and 1600 behind. You need to push this flop with TP dk.
    Yep, I got what u meant the second after I pressed "Submit"...

    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    Are you stealing here with AJ? value raising pf? What happens when u miss the flop? Are you going to c-bet and potentially dropping a large chunkc of ur stack if you miss the flop, cbet, and he pushes over?
    Basically, it was a steal attempt...and since he just called pf I figured he was out of line - hence the flop bet. Had I missed the flop, I'd have made a smaller bet or checked.

    As I wrote, IMHO the mistake was to pf raise in that spot - to call had been a better choice.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by ProZachNation
    I think on the flop bet less and dont commit yourself, maybe half the pot. If he came over the top then you could fold thinking trips or two pair.

    If you bet say 500 on the flop and he called, then I could see you losing your chips.

    I just think a smaller bet on the flop would have given you more outs.
    I see ur point. Probably hadn't mattered in this hand but it might in another.
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    think on the flop bet less and dont commit yourself, maybe half the pot. If he came over the top then you could fold thinking trips or two pair.

    If you bet say 500 on the flop and he called, then I could see you losing your chips.

    I just think a smaller bet on the flop would have given you more outs.
    no no no
    You raise hit the pair and to pot bet you basically have to push so thats what you do. If someone floped a monster here then oh well bye bye. It happens get over it. Ive ushed top pair before now as we all have been called by bottom pair and theyve sucked out. It happens but the right move/decision as vqc suggests is to push in here

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