TT - live game hand ...

[Staresy]

OK, I was playing live last night (SnGs) and the following occurred on the first orbit (about 8 hands in). I’ve converted it to a PokerStars style HH, but it won’t convert on the HH converter.

10 players, 2,000 starting stacks, blinds just gone up to 50/100 (10 minute blinds … … lethal!). The stack sizes are approx, but it is pretty accurate.

Player 2 has already limped with AQ from E-MP a few hands previously.
Player 3 is possibly on tilt because …
Player 5 is a calling station, he dropped a big pot early to Player 1, but then won a bit back from Player 3 with some grotty little hand like J7s
Player 8 is a mate of mine, fairly tight, but I suspect he is limping because of the value on offer and his position
My chips have come from AQ raise, hitting TPTK and taking it down on the flop, plus an uncontested UTG raise where I showed QQ.

Seat #8 is the button
Player 1 (1900 in chips)
Player 2 (3200 in chips)
Player 3 (1000 in chips)
Player 4 (1800 in chips)
Player 5 (2200 in chips)
Player 6 (2400 in chips)
Player 7 (1500 in chips)
Player 8 (1900 in chips)
Staresy (2700 in chips)
Player 10 (1400 in chips)
Staresy: posts small blind 50
Player 10: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Staresy [Ts Tc]
Player 1: folds
Player 2: calls 100
Player 3: calls 100
Player 4: folds
Player 5: calls 100
Player 6: folds
Player 7: folds
Player 8: calls 100
Staresy: calls 50
Player 10: checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 5s 6d]
Staresy: bets 500
Player 10: folds
Player 2: Raises 2600 to 3100 and is all-in
Player 3: folds
Player 5: folds
Player 8: folds
Staresy: to make a decision for all his chips ……

I did contemplate raising pre-flop, but I wasn’t overly convinced I would limit the field sufficiently, because there were too many loose players. I figured I would limp for set value, but then I get the dreaded three-under-card board!
Do I take him on if, as I thought, he had two overs?
If he has two s00ted overs, do I want or need the flip?
I don’t see 78 making the AI re-raise and potentially losing a customer, unless he puts me on two s00ted. Be grateful for any thoughts.
A set is a distinct possibility. If so, am I paying it off?
Therefore, do u think player 2 has too wide a range to make calling this worthwhile?

Apologies for the slight ramble of questions. Happy to provide more info (from what I remember)

[Khabbi]

You really need to raise to about 500 pre-flop. You have a strong holding but you have no-position and no information.

A5d, 99, 55, 66 would all play it this way if you say that they are loose players (so probably also not thinking their bets through fully).

I'd lay this down and learn not to ever play like this again.

[kingnat]

TT in my mind, you have a decent holding, not a strong holding. Depending on reads, I probably do one of two things...

Sine this is essentially a "fast" turbo-style tourney, i could see getting aggressive with this holding and looking to add significant chips to my pot. If I think I can thin the field down to 1-2 players with a 400 bet.. I'd do it. And with a favorable flop... and for this instance I would say, something without an A or a K, since those are the two most likely over cards to get called with, I'd bet the flop.

If you don't do the above.. I'd limp like you did preflop and probably check the flop. I think betting into 5 hands here is quite ballsy... given that you do get pushed into, i think you have to give it up.

You're are also assuming that Player 2 has overs, because he limped with overs before and won when he hit TPTK, right? The fact that he limped AQ is significant, but what position was he in at the time? I often don't like playing AQo early in a tourney out of position... so maybe he was just being careful with it before... His bet here might indicate that he hit with a holding of A9o or something. But I think the point to take is that he limped before with a decent holding and played it once he hit the flop. That seems the most likely thing for this situation. I'd say trips are highly likely...

[Scuba Chuck]

I did contemplate raising pre-flop, but I wasn’t overly convinced I would limit the field sufficiently, because there were too many loose players. I figured I would limp for set value, but then I get the dreaded three-under-card board!
Do I take him on if, as I thought, he had two overs?
If he has two s00ted overs, do I want or need the flip?
I don’t see 78 making the AI re-raise and potentially losing a customer, unless he puts me on two s00ted. Be grateful for any thoughts.
A set is a distinct possibility. If so, am I paying it off?
Therefore, do u think player 2 has too wide a range to make calling this worthwhile?

Apologies for the slight ramble of questions. Happy to provide more info (from what I remember)

A few thoughts: What did you think of the skill caliber of your opponent? often times players push too hard with the nuts. (I would push this hand if I had 78, trying to scare the flush draw).

If you thought this was a coinflip situation, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS CALL, because of the amount of dead chips in the pot. Calling coinflips is no big deal if there's no chips in the pot, but at the moment, you're getting 1.6:1 on your call, so you only need to win this 38% of the time for it to be profitable (and if you think you're a coinflip, this is clearly profitable).

FWIW, this is why I hate getting into multiway pots with tricky hands, like the guy with the J8s in the SB (here). This thought process works well in cash games, but can be a real stinger in tournaments. For MTTs, these are great situations, butin SNGs, it's a little more costly (unless you think you are underskilled compared to the field).

Anyhow, since you have horrible position, why not check the flop, and see what the action brings? Especially considering your preflop strategy.

[Fortune 500]

I've lost my stack like this with this hand more times than I care to admit.

Someone here (think it was 'Rilla) said that once you limp your tens, you lose any right to play them for anything other than set value.

It's Sage advice, and the man has like a million posts. He's bound to be right once in a while. That's variance.

And he is in this situation.

Aggrivating, but it's a fold.

[TLR]

Staresy wrote:

I did contemplate raising pre-flop, but I wasn’t overly convinced I would limit the field sufficiently, because there were too many loose players. I figured I would limp for set value

You pretty much said it yourself - set it or fold it.

From the little info you gave about the tournament structure it is a very fast paced tournament. In this kind of game I dont think you cal allow yourself the luxury of limping with TT, you need to bet as much as it takes to thin out the field preflop