Two hands, same tourney

[drtofu66]

Stage #231555062 Tourney ID 50190 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $30 - 2005-11-06 18:52:35 (ET)
Table: 111 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DRTOFU ($2790 in chips)
Seat 2 - CHRISLO2 ($2145 in chips)
Seat 3 - VANGO711 ($5340 in chips)
Seat 4 - MUGI1 ($3785 in chips)
Seat 5 - SILAS LAB ($3115 in chips)
Seat 6 - MARS2005 ($1910 in chips)
Seat 7 - RA2OR1 ($1960 in chips)
Seat 8 - RRDB ($1160 in chips)
Seat 9 - LYNNOHEARTS ($1015 in chips)
DRTOFU - Posts small blind $30
CHRISLO2 - Posts big blind $60
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DRTOFU [3c 3s]
VANGO711 - Folds
MUGI1 - Folds
SILAS LAB - Folds
MARS2005 - Folds
RA2OR1 - Calls $60
RRDB - Calls $60
LYNNOHEARTS - Calls $60
DRTOFU - Calls $30
CHRISLO2 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7c Ks]
DRTOFU - Checks
CHRISLO2 - Checks
RA2OR1 - Checks
RRDB - Checks
LYNNOHEARTS - Checks
*** TURN *** [Qh 7c Ks] [Qs]
DRTOFU - Checks
CHRISLO2 - Checks
RA2OR1 - Bets $120
RRDB - Calls $120
LYNNOHEARTS - Folds
DRTOFU - Folds

An easy fold here; $120 bet for a $480 pot and I'm probably waaaaay behind (and I'm learning not to discount that someone may have 77 or KQ here). I'm terrible at figuring out implied odds. Just wondering if anyone can justify a call here.

Stage #231598744 Tourney ID 50190 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $100 - 2005-11-06 19:40:19 (ET)
Table: 111 (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DRTOFU ($1905 in chips)
Seat 2 - CHRISLO2 ($1675 in chips)
Seat 3 - POPPY1960 ($4330 in chips)
Seat 4 - LINDA PRUNED ($11475 in chips)
Seat 5 - SILAS LAB ($570 in chips)
Seat 6 - RECHARGE651 ($10908.34 in chips)
Seat 7 - RA2OR1 ($6020 in chips)
Seat 8 - RRDB ($3230 in chips)
Seat 9 - LYNNOHEARTS ($2105 in chips)
LYNNOHEARTS - Posts small blind $100
DRTOFU - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DRTOFU [10c Kc]
CHRISLO2 - Folds
POPPY1960 - Calls $200
LINDA PRUNED - Calls $200
SILAS LAB - Folds
RECHARGE651 - Folds
RA2OR1 - Calls $200
RRDB - Folds
LYNNOHEARTS - Calls $100
DRTOFU - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 4d Jc]
LYNNOHEARTS - Checks
DRTOFU - Checks
POPPY1960 - All-In $4130
LINDA PRUNED - Folds
RA2OR1 - Folds
LYNNOHEARTS - Folds
DRTOFU - ??

$2705 in the pot, $1705 for me to call and I've got 6 more rounds of blinds left. Do I call and hope I hit my draw or wait for a better spot?

[Humphrind]

{Moved from Beginners Circle}

Not too long ago. I thought that odds were something for ring game players. THey are a big part of torunaments, but bigger parts are realizing what your bet/call/all-in does to you in the scheme of the entire tournament.

In our interview with Greg Raymer, I attacked this straight up by asking him about his willingness to enter race situations time and time again. He replied by quoting pot odds and saying that if he is getting 3-2 on a 2-1 bet, he is going for it... Interestingly to me, this includes if it takes 1/3 to 1/2 of his stack.

In the same way, though I initially feel inclined to tell you the pot odds are not as important to your situation as the position you are in when making these calls. I will back out of this discussion and let others join.

[drmcboy]

hand 1 - fold

hand 2 - if you think he has a J of less, i'd be likely to gamble. I'd rather have a tight read here - looser opps make this play with A high draw which would suck.

Having said all that if you were going to call AI you were better off pushing the flop.