Right play here?

[DLC11]

PokerStars Game #2984127999: Tournament #14733088, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/05 - 22:57:15 (ET)
Table '14733088 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: BEanderson (4015 in chips)
Seat 3: BeatPurdue (1035 in chips)
Seat 4: willielane (2010 in chips)
Seat 5: acu5 (1790 in chips)
Seat 7: arm of steel (1540 in chips)
Seat 8: FU Paladin87 (655 in chips)
Seat 9: yellatme (2455 in chips)
BEanderson: posts small blind 50
BeatPurdue: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BeatPurdue [Tc 6h]
willielane: folds
acu5: calls 100
arm of steel: calls 100
FU Paladin87: folds
yellatme: folds
BEanderson: calls 50
BeatPurdue: raises 935 to 1035 and is all-in
acu5: folds
arm of steel: folds
BEanderson: calls 935

[vqc]

no i fold this everytime.

[fade177]

This was not the place to steal. There were already two limpers and an all in raise reeks of fish. If your gonna attempt to steal, I suggest the pot, but with the limpers, you're way behind in the hand to their hands, more than likely Q's and J's with close kickers, low pps, or the occassional weak ace. I prefer the small blind steal myself, sandwich the limpers with a big raise especially if the button limped in. If it's a tourney and your down to say 15BB's pushin all in here, negates the positional disadvantage, forcing the others to think if that JT is worth it....

[a500lbgorilla]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

[vqc]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

ur stack is too big to warrant a steal.

given, if you really thought that you could squeeze, then by all means do it. BUt wihtout sufficient reads theres no need to gambool with a relatively healthy stack.

[a500lbgorilla]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

ur stack is too big to warrant a steal.

given, if you really thought that you could squeeze, then by all means do it. BUt wihtout sufficient reads theres no need to gambool with a relatively healthy stack.

I know it was bad. But I'm saying it wasn't a huge mistake. He's on the right track. With a shorter stack, this woulda been great. And I'm talking only 200 to 300 chips shorter.

-'rilla

[rubixstreub]

He's at 10BB, not too shabby in my opinion.... 1/4 of his stack added is a healthy boost.

although big stack in the SB isn't what you want to see

[DLC11]

He's at 10BB, not too shabby in my opinion.... 1/4 of his stack added is a healthy boost.

although big stack in the SB isn't what you want to see

Yep. And as soon as I made the push, that is exactly what came to mind.

I appreciate the help, guys. It's amazing how much this forum is helping my game.

[vqc]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

ur stack is too big to warrant a steal.

given, if you really thought that you could squeeze, then by all means do it. BUt wihtout sufficient reads theres no need to gambool with a relatively healthy stack.

I know it was bad. But I'm saying it wasn't a huge mistake. He's on the right track. With a shorter stack, this woulda been great. And I'm talking only 200 to 300 chips shorter.

-'rilla

ok I agree wholehartedly.

[Muxy]

I fold here.

[Scuba Chuck]

PokerStars Game #2984127999: Tournament #14733088, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/05 - 22:57:15 (ET)
Table '14733088 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: BEanderson (4015 in chips)
Seat 3: BeatPurdue (1035 in chips)
Seat 4: willielane (2010 in chips)
Seat 5: acu5 (1790 in chips)
Seat 7: arm of steel (1540 in chips)
Seat 8: FU Paladin87 (655 in chips)
Seat 9: yellatme (2455 in chips)
BEanderson: posts small blind 50
BeatPurdue: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BeatPurdue [Tc 6h]
willielane: folds
acu5: calls 100
arm of steel: calls 100
FU Paladin87: folds
yellatme: folds
BEanderson: calls 50
BeatPurdue: raises 935 to 1035 and is all-in

Next time, this is all you should post. It allows people to post their thoughts better without being results oriented.

OK, so we have a PVS. Should our hero do this? There are quite a few factors in this decision. Have you done this before? Have others done this before? What's your read on acu5? To start with.

I frankly don't think it's a horrible place. Considering everything else being neutral. Is it THE right play? I dunno.

[Scuba Chuck]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

ur stack is too big to warrant a steal.

given, if you really thought that you could squeeze, then by all means do it. BUt wihtout sufficient reads theres no need to gambool with a relatively healthy stack.

FYI, this is one of the adjustments people fail to make at PokerStars. A 1000 chip stack, although at 10 BBs at the moment, is not as healthy as a 10 BB stack at Party. The blinds raise faster at pokerstars than they usually do at Party. At best, you could compare this situation to having 500 chips at level 3 at Party. Otherwise, there is no situation that I can find similar at Party.

Recognize, that I am not trying to validate this move, as I have never done this in this spot (although maybe I should consider). But the advice to fold based on your thoughts that he has a healthy stack is not enough here. The 400 chips in the pot has a lot of value to our hero here. It's nearly 45% of his stack (after posting). Mathematically, this is not a bad play, unless our hero has a read on the first limper.

[vqc]

It's not a horrible play. Once the first limper folds, I'd completely expect everyone to be squeezed out.

-'rilla

ur stack is too big to warrant a steal.

given, if you really thought that you could squeeze, then by all means do it. BUt wihtout sufficient reads theres no need to gambool with a relatively healthy stack.

FYI, this is one of the adjustments people fail to make at PokerStars. A 1000 chip stack, although at 10 BBs at the moment, is not as healthy as a 10 BB stack at Party. The blinds raise faster at pokerstars than they usually do at Party. At best, you could compare this situation to having 500 chips at level 3 at Party. Otherwise, there is no situation that I can find similar at Party.

Recognize, that I am not trying to validate this move, as I have never done this in this spot (although maybe I should consider). But the advice to fold based on your thoughts that he has a healthy stack is not enough here. The 400 chips in the pot has a lot of value to our hero here. It's nearly 45% of his stack (after posting). Mathematically, this is not a bad play, unless our hero has a read on the first limper.

you might have to show the mathematics behind this move then.
please include the fact that the players are willing to call with cards such as 44 and 55.
Even cards like QJ.

[Scuba Chuck]

you might have to show the mathematics behind this move then.
please include the fact that the players are willing to call with cards such as 44 and 55.
Even cards like QJ.

Why do I have to show, isn't it implied? This is referring to this situation only. The chips in the middle are equal to 44% of our hero's stack. As long as our hero is not dominated by a hand like TT+ (AK is fine), just considering the probability of winning + folding equity, you should be able to make this conclusion. Do the math yourself.

[vqc]

you might have to show the mathematics behind this move then.
please include the fact that the players are willing to call with cards such as 44 and 55.
Even cards like QJ.

Why do I have to show, isn't it implied? This is referring to this situation only. The chips in the middle are equal to 44% of our hero's stack. As long as our hero is not dominated by a hand like TT+ (AK is fine), just considering the probability of winning + folding equity, you should be able to make this conclusion. Do the math yourself.

thanks for the help.

[DLC11]

Would love to get some thoughts on this one as well. Still maybe a little too early for this?

PokerStars Game #2993404804: Tournament #14780663, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/06 - 23:10:43 (ET)
Table '14780663 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jdfarr (1810 in chips)
Seat 3: Steal_YrFace (4025 in chips)
Seat 6: watsthpayoff (1040 in chips)
Seat 7: Rocky8000 (5515 in chips)
Seat 8: BeatPurdue (1110 in chips)
jdfarr: posts small blind 50
Steal_YrFace: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BeatPurdue [Qd 9h]
watsthpayoff: folds
Rocky8000: folds
BeatPurdue: raises 1010 to 1110 and is all-in

[ekillian]

I played with you the other day. I do believe I won.

[vqc]

Would love to get some thoughts on this one as well. Still maybe a little too early for this?

PokerStars Game #2993404804: Tournament #14780663, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/06 - 23:10:43 (ET)
Table '14780663 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jdfarr (1810 in chips)
Seat 3: Steal_YrFace (4025 in chips)
Seat 6: watsthpayoff (1040 in chips)
Seat 7: Rocky8000 (5515 in chips)
Seat 8: BeatPurdue (1110 in chips)
jdfarr: posts small blind 50
Steal_YrFace: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BeatPurdue [Qd 9h]
watsthpayoff: folds
Rocky8000: folds
BeatPurdue: raises 1010 to 1110 and is all-in

I think this is fine.
Esp if a 10xBB stack at Pstars is weaker than its PP counterpart.

[konahead]

I'd say the first push was bad without reads, but if the table's been folding, go for it. (I would have seen a free flop and gone from there...)

2nd hand is standard if you're gonna play it.