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 Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Results: Villian called with QT, and I rivered a flush.
drmcboy, that is exactly my line of thinking. I probably complete here even if I have a medium/big stack. When I'm semi short-stacked, I am looking to accumulate chips, and what can be so bad about paying 50 chips when your stack is 1300 to see a cheap flop? To me raising in this spot is totally out of the question. That would be just spewing chips IMO. I guess I don't understand why everyone is so against limping from the small blind. When is it appropriate to limp?
Also, Silverfist, I don't understand how you can advocate semibluffing the turn and folding to a raise. If you semibluff you pretty much have to call a push, so why not just push? Granted I know I will be a significant dog if I am called here, but that is not really the point. I thought he had a marginal holding (and I was right) and felt my fold equity was high (because he had a similar stack size), hence the push.
To address your question Scuba Chuck, if I am raised on the flop, I probably will lay my hand down. If it's a minraise though, I really don't know, that's a tough spot to be in. I think even if I didn't pick up a flush draw on the turn I very well might have pushed, simply because I felt my fold equity was very high, and he would lay down anything less than TPGK. Thoughts?
Regarding the complete from the SB. There is merits to both points of view. From my study, it's a long term loss accumulator. But at the same time, even though it may be a loss in summation, the times that it is profitable, it can have a significant impact on your finish distribution, whereas the loss of the 50 chips may have zero impact on your finish. This point is just debatable, and there is no always right or always wrong answer. The more chips I have, the more likely I am to complete, due to the theory that when you have more chips, the less they are worth.
Regarding your question, I think your postflop thoughts are god awful. This is a great reason why I think you shouldn't even complete. Knowing how to play postflop is the main reason to complete, but when you start to get lost, or you don't have a game plan for once you start throwing chips in the middle, you are going to find a painful finish. This hand turned out well for you. I'm glad. I think you played the turn well considering the turn card. But I think it's important to have a plan.
FWIW, I learned sometime in my past that I was spewing the most amount of chips from the blinds. I was always getting into hands that I'm not used to playing with my tight aggressive style. Meaning that I'm used to playing very aggressive when I hit a piece of the flop. Being selectively aggressive is wise (like being aggressive with that turn card), but to push ont he turn even without the flush draw is a monumental error, IMO.
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Good play without a read?
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