Play of the Day - Check Raise Bluff

[silverfist]

This move needs some background. After playing for a while, I realised that this player was betting every single flop, regardless of what he had. People were really passive at the table, and he was picking on me as well. So, I decided it was time to take a stand, even with nothing. After this play, he left me alone.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t1070)
SB (t1200)
Silverfist (t1480)
UTG (t1780)
UTG+1 (t2205)
MP1 (t1610)
MP2 (t2750)
CO (t1405)

Preflop: Silverfist is BB with A, 6.
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, SB completes, Silverfist checks.

Flop: (t90) J, 7, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Silverfist checks, MP2 bets t90, SB folds, Silverfist raises to t270, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t450
Main Pot: t270 (t270), won by Silverfist.
Pot 2: t180 (t180), returned to Silverfist.

[ProZachNation]

Nice job

Perfect move to win some chips and get a jackass to lay off you.

[vqc]

the blinds are really low.
couldnt u just wait to pick up a big hand and stack him?
Especially if u kno for a fact hes going to bet for u.

[ProZachNation]

Why wait for a big hand when you can stop him right there. If you trust your read go for it.

[mcatdog]

Why wait for a big hand when you can stop him right there. If you trust your read go for it.

How could you possibly have a read telling you that he missed this flop? Just because he bets at every flop doesn't mean he has nothing this time, and you're unnecessarily risking a lot of chips to win a tiny pot.

[bigg_nate]

He bet 2/3 of the pot. I wouldn't call that "unnecessarily risking a lot of chips to win a tiny pot."

- Nate

[Scuba Chuck]

Silverfist, there is only one major flaw in this strategy, IMO. Learn how to beat these guys with ABC poker first, then learn how to beat them with bluffs. I promise you, it will greatly lessen the affects of negative variance along your poker path.

It is so easy to fall off the path of poker, because most players are losers. They approach poker like it's a gamble. And if that's your objective, then so be it. But poker can be fun, and played for profit. It doesn't mean that you don't gamble in poker, because surely you do. But from your other posts, I can sense a general sense for yearning to be a consistent winner. Learning to control urges like these, is part of that process.

So, while this play, in a vacuum is not horrible, and may even be studious, it does not help you along your path. Patience, and the control of tilt is the path of becoming a long term poker player, rather than a fly by night one. At this stage, IMO, the only bluffs you should be making are the strong semi-bluffs.

Good luck at the tables.
Scuba

[TLR]

Verses any random hand you are a bit less then 50% favorite to win.
Just as VQ said - with a player like that yuo can destack him when you have a real hand - why risk it here.

It is very early in the Sng - there will be a lot of better oppurtunities to pick up chips.

Winning a hand with a bluff is by no way better then winning it with a boat.

From my humble experience bluffing should be used very very very rarely in the early stages of the Sng. Otherwise you are usually just pissing chips away

[mcatdog]

He bet 2/3 of the pot. I wouldn't call that "unnecessarily risking a lot of chips to win a tiny pot."

- Nate

It looks to me like he bet the pot. I think that's way too many chips to risk against a known maniac, early in the SNG, when you have nothing and have invested 30 chips into the pot so far. If he has a pair, he's probably not folding, and, being a maniac, he might call even if he has two clubs or a gutshot straight draw. If the villain has a hand like A7 or A4, does hero have the discipline to not lose all his chips if he calls and the turn is an ace?

[dsaxton]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time, so if he's betting the flop every time he's in the hand, then he usually doesn't have a hand when he's betting the flop. I think that's probably enough of an argument to check-raise him with anything.

[gabe]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?

[chardrian]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?

yes

[gabe]

ty

[chardrian]

yw

[chardrian]

p.s. - you are killing my words per post, and besides crappy bankroll management that is truly my only claim to fame here.

[dsaxton]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?

No.

If he has normal standards of limping, then statistically he usually has nothing on the flop, and so if he's always betting the flop after limping, then he usually has nothing when he's betting the flop after limping.

[Trikflow77]

the blinds are really low.
couldnt u just wait to pick up a big hand and stack him?
Especially if u kno for a fact hes going to bet for u.

i agree with vq.....no reason to bluff here for a 100 chips this early.......

[gabe]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?

No.

but chardrian said yes??

[Trikflow77]

Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?

No.

but chardrian said yes??

If chardrian said it than it is true and we must abide.

[ChrisBCritter]

The only thing I do differently is to show my cards after the bluff to entice him to keep playing against me...

[vqc]

The only thing I do differently is to show my cards after the bluff to entice him to keep playing against me...

showing cards is -EV

[TLR]

gabe wrote:
dsaxton wrote:
gabe wrote:
dsaxton wrote:
Most playable hole cards miss the flop the majority of the time

do the nonplayable cards hit more flops?


No.


but chardrian said yes??


If chardrian said it than it is true and we must abide.

LOL - Actually chardian may be correct using the following logic"
1. Pocket pairs hit the flop less time then non pocket pair
2. Pocket pairs are in the set of playable cards

Therefore non playable cards hit the flop more often then playable cards.

[LeFou]

The only thing I do differently is to show my cards after the bluff to entice him to keep playing against me...

showing cards is -EV

Always?

-NuWere "hijackin'" LeFou