Project Party SNGs - $20+2s...downswing from hell?

[lambchopdc]

Ok, I have a new party account and I set out to take a $50 dollar deposit and through massive SNG grinding, turn that $50 bucks into a fortune. I rolled through the $5+1s and the $10+1s like it was nothing and than ran into a brick wall in the $20+2s. Here are my stats:

$5+1s:

34 Tourneys
$161 Profit
$7.23 Rakeback
59% ITM
82.47% ROI w/ Rakeback

$10+1s:

100 Tourneys
$520 Profit
$21.25 Rakeback
44% ITM
49.20% ROI w/ Rakeback

$20+2s:

127 Tourneys
-$494 Profit
$53.98 Rakeback
26% ITM
-15.75% ROI w/ Rakeback

Ok, so the question is, am I missing something about these $20+2s that is stopping me from beating them or I am just suffering a major kick to the nuts from variance? Is there something I should know about the $20+2s that differs from the $10+1s..as far as I know my play has been the same. I've suffered some bad beats throughout this, i.e. losing to quads 11 times in 1 day (with either a boat, nut flush, or nut straight). I just want to know if I should be looking for some major leak in my game or is this just one hell of a downswing?

[vqc]

ur sample size at all levels are too small to come to any good conclusion.

20 buyin downswing over 127 SNGs is not somehting that is uncommon.

[lambchopdc]

ur sample size at all levels are too small to come to any good conclusion.

20 buyin downswing over 127 SNGs is not somehting that is uncommon.

yeah I figured as much, just didn't expect it to start from the 1st SNG I played lol, kinda sux when u turn 50 bucks into 700+ in 134 then 127 later u're looking at 300. Just wanted to see if this was something I should be seriously worried about.

[vqc]

stop playing for 1 day and look at ur HHs.

[Trikflow77]

25 buy in downswings suck by they are not that uncommon. You really need to play more games, but i suspect u have some leaks, cause the 22's r very soft and 20+ buy in downswings dont happen often for me at those stakes.

[iwa]

I doubt he has any leaks, its a 20 buyin downswing which is not. that bad. Hopefully you will start getting a little bit luckier.

[gabe]

I doubt he has any leaks.

everyone has leaks.

i know lambchop has some. i was in one the other day and i saw him make a very poor call against me.

[lambchopdc]

I doubt he has any leaks.

everyone has leaks.

i know lambchop has some. i was in one the other day and i saw him make a very poor call against me.

which call was that? and what is your new SN on party?

[gabe]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

gabe (t880)
UTG (t1525)
UTG+1 (t1255)
MP1 (t1070)
MP2 (t315)
CO (t1070)
Button =#A500AF(lambchop)/ (t1400)
SB (t485)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, Q.
5 folds, Button (lambchop) raises to t475, 1 fold, gabe calls t375.

Flop: (t1000) 5, K, J (2 players)
gabe calls [t505] , lambchop calls t405.

Turn: (t1405) Q (2 players)

River: (t1405) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1405

Results in white below:
gabe has Jd Qd (two pair, queens and jacks).
lambchop has 8c As (high card, ace).
Outcome: gabe wins t1405.

[vqc]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

gabe (t880)
UTG (t1525)
UTG+1 (t1255)
MP1 (t1070)
MP2 (t315)
CO (t1070)
Button =#A500AF(lambchop)/ (t1400)
SB (t485)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, Q.
5 folds, Button (lambchop) raises to t475, 1 fold, gabe calls t375.

Flop: (t1000) 5, K, J (2 players)
gabe calls [t505] , lambchop calls t405.

Turn: (t1405) Q (2 players)

River: (t1405) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1405

Results in white below:
gabe has Jd Qd (two pair, queens and jacks).
lambchop has 8c As (high card, ace).
Outcome: gabe wins t1405.

thats an ugly raise preflop regardless of wat cards u have. You can target the SB wihtout pricing urself into a call against Gabe.

[lambchopdc]

gabe what was the party hand number for that? cuz for the life of me i don't remember it

gabe calls [t505] , lambchop calls t405.

hmm....why doesn't that sound right to me?

[Cpaz]

Which Party site offers rakeback? Am I missing out?

[vqc]

gabe what was the party hand number for that? cuz for the life of me i don't remember it

gabe calls [t505] , lambchop calls t405.

hmm....why doesn't that sound right to me?

gabe pushed 505 and u called

[lambchopdc]

gabe what was the party hand number for that? cuz for the life of me i don't remember it

gabe calls [t505] , lambchop calls t405.

hmm....why doesn't that sound right to me?

gabe pushed 505 and u called

wrong....do the math...i have gabe outstacked 1400 to 880 preflop. so....if i have him covered....and he pushes the flop, he wins a pot of (880*2)+(50 SB) = 1810. Yet, he only wins a pot of 1405. I'm not saying this hand didn't occur. But this hand history is definetely incorrect. That and gabe didn't have 505 to push with at that point in the hand.

[gabe]

the converter messed up, who cares. still a bad call.

[vqc]

he coudlve made the hand up

[lambchopdc]

the converter messed up, who cares. still a bad call.

alright F that, i asked for the hand number, u don't want to give it to me, thats messed up. If i did make this call, I would like to be able to look at the damn hand and see for myself. I don't think thats too much to ask.

[gabe]

dude im on 8 tables right now, i cant load up pokertracker and find it at the moment. god damn.

[vqc]

the converter messed up, who cares. still a bad call.

alright F that, i asked for the hand number, u don't want to give it to me, thats messed up. If i did make this call, I would like to be able to look at the damn hand and see for myself. I don't think thats too much to ask.

dude chill he will find it.

[gabe]

HERE YOU GO LAMBCHOP. NOW LOSE THE ATTITUDE PLZ.

***** Hand History for Game 3001077961 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:17233680 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Tuesday, November 08, 01:52:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 66888 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: jordanruss2 ( $1255 )
Seat 4: maryanncc2 ( $1070 )
Seat 5: doctorevil24 ( $315 )
Seat 7: victrina18 ( $1070 )
Seat 10: carnitastaco ( $485 )
Seat 2: carrotsnake ( $1525 )
Seat 1: gabe ( $880 )
Seat 9: lambchop_ftr ( $1400 )
Trny:17233680 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gabe [ Jd Qd ]
carrotsnake folds.
jordanruss2 folds.
maryanncc2 folds.
doctorevil24 folds.
victrina18 folds.
>You have options at Table 68149 Table!.
>You have options at Table 67895 Table!.
lambchop_ftr raises [475].
carnitastaco folds.
gabe calls [375].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Kh, Jc ]
gabe is all-In.
lambchop_ftr calls [405].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
>You have options at Table 67895 Table!.
gabe shows [ Jd, Qd ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
lambchop_ftr shows [ 8c, As ] high card ace.
gabe wins 1810 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and jacks.
>You have options at Table 68149 Table!.

[Scuba Chuck]

I've suffered some bad beats throughout this, i.e. losing to quads 11 times in 1 day (with either a boat, nut flush, or nut straight).

My advice is to quit losing to quads. Quads are just more common on the $22s than on the lower buyins. Most $22ers have spent more money on a pattern mapper that is worth a damn. The $11ers probably got theirs in a gum ball machine or out of a cracker jack box (which is where I got my first one). Anyhow, when my pattern mapper let's me know that quads is coming, I know it's time to shut her down, and I don't lose any more chips.

If you can't afford a good pattern mapper, then the next best thing to get is a luckbox. These are extremely rare, and are not purchaseable. A luckbox is far superior to a pattern mapper, as it can get you out of jams, like this time that some guy rivered quads on me, it actually gave me a straight flush (what a dumbass). Anyhow, my luckbox I got before I discovered poker, so it's pretty used up, and I don't get the real bang that you'd expect from it. I used it up chasing tail in college. It was pretty successful for me. Like this one time, I was totally loaded at this dance club. And I met this chick grinding on the dance floor. Anyhow, after the song, we went back to a private booth. She sat across from me, and I projectile barfed across the table into her lap. Anyhow, I used one of my better pickup lines following that embarrasing moment ~ "wanna go back to my place?" Anyhow, without my luckbox, I don't think I would have gotten the shakedown that night.

Anyhow, my point is, I think you need to either buy a good pattern mapper, or find a luckbox. It will change your bad luck.

[Diminish]

This is my 4th post on the form.

Lambchopdc my advice is get a pattern mapper. A good luckbox is very expensive, and are hard to come by. I will let you know if I see any bargains on ebay for one.

[tom]

pretty damn funny scuba. I laughed.

[ekillian]

hmmmm downswings... Once I had like 8 straight OTM finishes. But my suggestion is when these start to get bad (whatever bad is to you) move down a level and fhow some profit before you freak and realize how far down you've gone. Maybe in the long run my advice sucks because you're wasting time at lower levels but I think it's good to stop a slide. I just can't imagine a slide this bad without bad play.