A couple interesting hands from last night

[soupie]

Can you make these calls?

PokerStars Game #2984780143: Tournament #14414140, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/06 - 00:14:14 (ET)
Table '14414140 81' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mmmot (18065 in chips)
Seat 2: YourAce (29820 in chips)
Seat 3: soupie (33250 in chips)
Seat 4: ArrgntBstrd (33300 in chips)
Seat 5: McG369 (24165 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: bloFISHmee (8875 in chips)
Seat 7: ErickW23 (19060 in chips)
Seat 8: ashuizinga (27325 in chips)
Seat 9: thedonator (14005 in chips)
mmmot: posts the ante 25
YourAce: posts the ante 25
soupie: posts the ante 25
ArrgntBstrd: posts the ante 25
McG369: posts the ante 25
bloFISHmee: posts the ante 25
ErickW23: posts the ante 25
ashuizinga: posts the ante 25
thedonator: posts the ante 25
YourAce: posts small blind 200
soupie: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to soupie [4c 2c]
ArrgntBstrd: folds
McG369: folds
bloFISHmee: folds
ErickW23: folds
ashuizinga: folds
thedonator: folds
mmmot: calls 400
YourAce: calls 200
soupie: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 9s 4s]
McG369 is connected
McG369 has returned
YourAce: checks
soupie: checks
mmmot: checks
*** TURN *** [Qh 9s 4s] [8h]
McG369 is sitting out
YourAce: checks
soupie: bets 1200
mmmot: calls 1200
YourAce: folds
*** RIVER *** [Qh 9s 4s 8h] [9h]
soupie: checks
mmmot: bets 3200
McG369 is disconnected
soupie: calls 3200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mmmot: shows [Tc Kd] (a pair of Nines)
soupie: shows [4c 2c] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
soupie collected 10225 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10225 | Rake 0
Board [Qh 9s 4s 8h 9h]
Seat 1: mmmot (button) showed [Tc Kd] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: YourAce (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: soupie (big blind) showed [4c 2c] and won (10225) with two pair, Nines and Fours
Seat 4: ArrgntBstrd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: McG369 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bloFISHmee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ErickW23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ashuizinga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: thedonator folded before Flop (didn't bet)

#Game No : 2988715682
***** Hand History for Game 2988715682 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:17172297 Level:8 Blinds (150/300) - Saturday, November 05, 23:51:59 EDT 2005
Table $200K Guaranteed Saturday(495814) Table #32 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: KJBaeca ( $9331 )
Seat 3: birdman241 ( $4958 )
Seat 5: GBFishY ( $4975 )
Seat 6: cwall4422 ( $2470 )
Seat 7: grantsmith ( $2182 )
Seat 8: soupie ( $2525 )
Seat 10: SPAZZZTIC ( $3377 )
Seat 9: oobme ( $2170 )
Seat 2: mdemarc ( $180 )
Seat 4: JayDo33 ( $4325 )
Trny:17172297 Level:8
Blinds (150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to soupie [ 2c 6c ]
SPAZZZTIC calls [300].
KJBaeca folds.
mdemarc folds.
birdman241 folds.
JayDo33 folds.
GBFishY folds.
cwall4422 folds.
grantsmith calls [300].
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
soupie calls [150].
oobme checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Th, Qs ]
soupie checks.
oobme checks.
SPAZZZTIC checks.
grantsmith checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
soupie bets [525].
oobme folds.
SPAZZZTIC folds.
grantsmith calls [525].
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
soupie checks.
grantsmith is all-In [1357]
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
soupie will be using his time bank for this hand.
soupie calls [1357].
soupie shows [ 2c, 6c ] two pairs, tens and twos.
grantsmith shows [ Jh, Kh ] a pair of tens.
soupie wins 4964 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and twos.
Player grantsmith finished in 390 place
grantsmith has left the table.
Game #2988727926 starts.

[Muxy]

I would probably make the first one but not sure aboue the second.

[allLiving]

nope I couldn't. very nice hands

[midas06]

wow. just... wow.

[vqc]

no.

cookie?

reads?
teach us something?

[soupie]

Wow, guys these are simple reads.

Players unwilling to bet their hands but will call bets, will panic on the river and go all in at times. The key is the board pairs second pair which they both should have logically bet on flop with considering their position.

On the river they look at the size of the pot and try to steal with busted straight draws thinking the board pairing is scary when in fact that is not a bad river card against the button who has been check calling along.

[Fortune 500]

I am dumbfounded. You da man, soup.

[pantherhound]

The key is the board pairs second pair which they both should have logically bet on flop with considering their position.

nh, But what about the donk factor? how high buyin is this?

[Aquinas]

I can certainly c making those river calls...but I'm surprised by your turn bets. Do you often bet low pair no kicker if you sense weakness? Especially with 4 players to the flop I'd be afraid of a medium pp.
Very nice calls by the way.

[DoGGz]

The key is the board pairs second pair which they both should have logically bet on flop with considering their position.

nh, But what about the donk factor? how high buyin is this?

Definately.

[gabe]

he missed the flush draw, duh.

PokerStars Game #3018449344: Tournament #14904044, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/09 - 23:09:37 (ET)
Table '14904044 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 (7188 in chips)
Seat 2: Derwy (7340 in chips)
Seat 3: skip rope (2210 in chips)
Seat 5: ugavi (10326 in chips)
Seat 6: Flip807 (2780 in chips)
Seat 7: Jasiu M (9460 in chips)
Seat 8: nightbull (8912 in chips)
Seat 9: mecoble (4705 in chips)
gp333: posts the ante 25
Derwy: posts the ante 25
skip rope: posts the ante 25
ugavi: posts the ante 25
Flip807: posts the ante 25
Jasiu M: posts the ante 25
nightbull: posts the ante 25
mecoble: posts the ante 25
Jasiu M: posts small blind 200
nightbull: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gp333 [9s As]
mecoble: folds
gp333: raises 800 to 1200
Derwy: folds
skip rope: folds
ugavi: calls 1200
Flip807: folds
Jasiu M: folds
nightbull: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [3c Kc 2c]
nightbull: checks
gp333: bets 2000
ugavi: folds
nightbull: calls 2000
*** TURN *** [3c Kc 2c] [8d]
nightbull: checks
gp333: checks
*** RIVER *** [3c Kc 2c 8d] [6h]
nightbull: bets 2400
gp333: calls 2400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nightbull: shows [Qc Td] (high card King)
gp333: shows [9s As] (high card Ace)
gp333 collected 12800 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12800 | Rake 0
Board [3c Kc 2c 8d 6h]
Seat 1: gp333 showed [9s As] and won (12800) with high card Ace
Seat 2: Derwy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: skip rope folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ugavi folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Flip807 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jasiu M (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nightbull (big blind) showed [Qc Td] and lost with high card King
Seat 9: mecoble folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[rubixstreub]

I like it, so the check turn is the key here on a dangerous board

[chardrian]

soupie and gabe's hands are different. In soupie's he was betting the turn after weakness on the flop and getting called by a guy with position who then sensed weakness by the river check and tried to steal a pot.

In gabe's, gabe had position, bet the flop just to take it down, whiffed the turn and then called a river bet position.

I personally find soupie's calls easier to make than gabe's call.

[rubixstreub]

soupie and gabe's hands are different. In soupie's he was betting the turn after weakness on the flop and getting called by a guy with position who then sensed weakness by the river check and tried to steal a pot.

In gabe's, gabe had position, bet the flop just to take it down, whiffed the turn and then called a river bet position.

I personally find soupie's calls easier to make than gabe's call.

Are you saying Soupie's are easier because anyone who hit that flop would bet it, or at least raise Soupies bet on the turn?

[gabe]

soupie and gabe's hands are different. In soupie's he was betting the turn after weakness on the flop and getting called by a guy with position who then sensed weakness by the river check and tried to steal a pot.

In gabe's, gabe had position, bet the flop just to take it down, whiffed the turn and then called a river bet position.

I personally find soupie's calls easier to make than gabe's call.

yea, for mine i had been playing with the guy for a long time, its not one you can just look at it and think 'oh yea gotta call him there'