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  1. #1

    Default Good or Bad?

    Im not sure if I played this correctly or not... I really didnt have a read on him at all... I think my preflop call was kinda stupid.

    PokerStars Game #3041024895: Tournament #15025680, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/12 - 16:40:08 (ET)
    Table '15025680 1' Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Werddown (1240 in chips)
    Seat 2: ssimpala63 (1855 in chips)
    Seat 3: Pokerstud987 (3245 in chips)
    Seat 5: BallardBoy (1120 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: jon30874 (1415 in chips)
    Seat 7: birchs (2590 in chips)
    Seat 9: JAT4 (2035 in chips)
    JAT4: posts small blind 50
    Werddown: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Werddown [4c Ad]
    ssimpala63: folds
    Pokerstud987: folds
    BallardBoy: folds
    jon30874: folds
    birchs: folds
    JAT4: raises 200 to 300
    ssimpala63 said, "K J"
    Werddown: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [3d 4s Kh]
    JAT4: bets 200
    Werddown: raises 400 to 600
    JAT4: raises 400 to 1000
    Werddown: calls 340 and is all-in
    *** TURN *** [3d 4s Kh] [6c]
    *** RIVER *** [3d 4s Kh 6c] [2h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    JAT4: shows [Td As] (high card Ace)
    Werddown: shows [4c Ad] (a pair of Fours)
    Werddown collected 2480 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2480 | Rake 0
    Board [3d 4s Kh 6c 2h]
    Seat 1: Werddown (big blind) showed [4c Ad] and won (2480) with a pair of Fours
    Seat 2: ssimpala63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Pokerstud987 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BallardBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: jon30874 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: birchs (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: JAT4 (small blind) showed [Td As] and lost with high card Ace
  2. #2

    Default Re: Good or Bad?

    Right after than questionable hand, I had a pretty beautiful one.

    PokerStars Game #3041066408: Tournament #15025680, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/11/12 - 16:45:09 (ET)
    Table '15025680 1' Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Werddown (2805 in chips)
    Seat 2: ssimpala63 (760 in chips)
    Seat 3: Pokerstud987 (3845 in chips)
    Seat 5: BallardBoy (945 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: jon30874 (890 in chips)
    Seat 7: birchs (2665 in chips)
    Seat 9: JAT4 (1590 in chips)
    Werddown: posts small blind 75
    ssimpala63: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Werddown [Th Ts]
    Pokerstud987: folds
    BallardBoy: folds
    jon30874: folds
    birchs: raises 150 to 300
    JAT4: folds
    Werddown: calls 225
    ssimpala63: calls 150
    *** FLOP *** [3s Tc 9c]
    jon30874 said, "o i had jack 5"
    Werddown: checks
    ssimpala63: bets 460 and is all-in
    birchs: calls 460
    Werddown: raises 2045 to 2505 and is all-in
    birchs: folds
    *** TURN *** [3s Tc 9c] [Kh]
    *** RIVER *** [3s Tc 9c Kh] [4s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Werddown: shows [Th Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
    ssimpala63: shows [Jh 9h] (a pair of Nines)
    Werddown collected 2280 from pot
    jon30874 said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2280 | Rake 0
    Board [3s Tc 9c Kh 4s]
    Seat 1: Werddown (small blind) showed [Th Ts] and won (2280) with three of a kind, Tens
    Seat 2: ssimpala63 (big blind) showed [Jh 9h] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 3: Pokerstud987 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BallardBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: jon30874 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: birchs folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: JAT4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  3. #3
    Hand #2 I raise birchs another 460 and bring him along for the ride.
  4. #4
    Hand 1: You're incredibly lucky, I think. No real business in the pot, and a BALLSY call. I couldn't make it.

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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune 500
    Hand 1: You're incredibly lucky, I think. No real business in the pot, and a BALLSY call. I couldn't make it.
    Yeah thats what I figured after I made it.
  6. #6

    Default Re: Good or Bad?

    A lot of beginner players make calls to "see a flop" without having an intended strategy once they make the call, despite what cards come. Second of all, as you can see by hand one, you do not need to play tricky to beat these guys. This guy was willing to stackoff with ace high. Be patient. Be overly patient. Try being so patient that you almost dwindle down to nothing, waiting for premium hands. It's a good exercise.

    Hand 2. Preflop: This is actually a difficult spot. You have nearly 30 big blinds, so no reason to make any mistakes with mid pairs. But you do have a strong made hand, and the blinds are high enough to play for the forced bets. To make this all the more difficult, your opponent too, specifically the PFR, has a large stack behind. Unfortunately you didn't post the buyin, but I don't give too much credibility to a min-raise. I see you have 2 options here.

    1: Raise to isolate or win the pot now. The negatives here is that there's a ~50% chance you'll see overcards on the flop if you're called. The positive is that you have the benefit of position here, so even if you see an ace, that could be a scare card to villain. Anyway, if overs come on the flop, and it's checked to you, your gut will likely help you once you make a bet. If he reraises you're likely beat, and if he calls, look for draws. Another benefit to raising here is that you've built a pot that's worth protecting, so if you do flop all unders, an allin bet isn't so suspicious on the flop. I hate being looked up by QJ/KQ in small pots and deep stacks in these situations.

    2: Call, and play a little post flop. The negatives here is that you invite other callers behind you. In particular the blinds. So playing this 3 way is a little more challenging if you flop overs, or the board pairs, or it's really draw heavy. The positive is that it's real easy to get away from when there's so little committed to the pot.

    Anyway, it looks like it turned out ok. That flop is super coordinated by the way. I don't know if I would check that board, unless you were comfortable letting this hand go depending on the turn card. Turn cards that you don't want to see, 8/J/K or any club. And you really don't want to see the 8 or jack or king of clubs. This is one of those situations where it might be better to win a little pot, than lose a big one.

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