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  1. #1

    Default Two Hands I'm Not Sure I Played Properly

    Hand 1. Basically, I think he might have been bluffing and I blew my only chance to double up:

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    saw flop|saw showdown

    SB (t6024)
    Silverfist (t3075)
    Button (t4401)

    Preflop: Silverfist is BB with 6, K.
    Button calls t150, 1 fold, Silverfist checks.

    Flop: (t375) 2, K, J (2 players)
    Silverfist bets t200, Button calls t200.

    Turn: (t775) T (2 players)
    Silverfist checks, Button bets t3900, Silverfist folds.

    Final Pot: t4675

    Results in white below:
    No showdown. Button wins t4675.


    Hand 2: I'm thinking perhaps I should have just called the raise and then pushed the flop:

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    saw flop|saw showdown

    SB (t6024)
    Silverfist (t2650)
    Button (t4826)

    Preflop: Silverfist is BB with K, A.
    Button raises to t750, 1 fold, Silverfist raises to t2650, Button calls t1900.

    Flop: (t5375) 5, 5, 6 (2 players)

    Turn: (t5375) 4 (2 players)

    River: (t5375) 2 (2 players)

    Final Pot: t5375

    Results in white below:
    Silverfist has Kh As (one pair, fives).
    Button has 2c 2d (full house, twos full of fives).
    Outcome: Button wins t5375.
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    all the first one. i dont think he pushes with a hand that beats you.

    the 2nd one is probably fine.
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    The first hand looks like a steal, I might call that. The second hand I would have done the same, the guy called off a lot of chips with dueces, not reccomended.
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    Default Re: Two Hands I'm Not Sure I Played Properly

    Hand 1: I think you played this hand beautifully. Don't listen to anyone else. Let me elaborate. On the flop, you bet, saying "ha ha, I have a king.." But he calls. That's not good. You have Top pair, crap kicker. On the turn, we have the double flush draw, straight draw, high probability for two pair, and all you gots is a lowsy TPNK. I'm sure you can find a much much better spot to get your money in. Congratulations, post flop well played.

    Hand 2: I think you're being results oriented. I think the way you played it is fine. I think a stop n go is a good altnerative idea, but he would have called you with this flop anyhow. In fact, his call is atrocious, unless he has some read on you otherwise. But even with a read of 'silverfist is a donkey' I can't imagine calling with this hand and these stacks. Anyway, I think pushing here is better than a stop n go. We can discuss another time.
  5. #5
    Scuba, 3 handed you are crazy, the button raises with a king on the flop......he doesnt push 2 pair/straight, what do you think he has? I would bet hes ahead here 80% of the time with that donkey push. I really want to hear your reasoning for folding this? On the flop, his bet meant i have something.....could be a king, could be a duece, could be Q10. The turn check opened the door to get get outplayed, which i think he did.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77
    Scuba, 3 handed you are crazy, the button raises with a king on the flop......he doesnt push 2 pair/straight, what do you think he has? I would bet hes ahead here 80% of the time with that donkey push. I really want to hear your reasoning for folding this? On the flop, his bet meant i have something.....could be a king, could be a duece, could be Q10. The turn check opened the door to get get outplayed, which i think he did.
    Are you saying you never fold with the better hand?
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    i fold the best hand all the time.....but not here.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77
    i fold the best hand all the time.....but not here.
    Ok, let's review further. First thing is I don't care for his flop bet. I think this opens himself up to making problems for himself. Second is that I think hands like K9+ likely raise from the button. It's easier to see hands like K2 limp. While I can't argue with you that our hero has a high probability of being ahead here, I don't agree that he's ahead 80% of the time.

    If I were to play this hand, I would have bet 400 on the flop. If I'm not reraised, but smooth called, I will reasses on the turn. Anyway, this board sucks. These blinds are tiny. So little is invested on this hand, and there are so many redraws that we are either way ahead or way behind. FWIW, what's really unusual about low buyins, is that these guys so often go allin with the nuts. Like if this guy had Q9o here, I have all the often see them move allin. After losing my stack often enough on these 'wise' calls, I've learned better.

    Once again, if this were a higher buyin, I'd think about playing this hand differently (although I'd probably still fold here because I think higher buyin players know how to trap more).

    Side Note: who raises here preflop?
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77
    i fold the best hand all the time.....but not here.
    Ok, let's review further. First thing is I don't care for his flop bet. I think this opens himself up to making problems for himself. Second is that I think hands like K9+ likely raise from the button. It's easier to see hands like K2 limp. While I can't argue with you that our hero has a high probability of being ahead here, I don't agree that he's ahead 80% of the time.

    If I were to play this hand, I would have bet 400 on the flop. If I'm not reraised, but smooth called, I will reasses on the turn. Anyway, this board sucks. These blinds are tiny. So little is invested on this hand, and there are so many redraws that we are either way ahead or way behind. FWIW, what's really unusual about low buyins, is that these guys so often go allin with the nuts. Like if this guy had Q9o here, I have all the often see them move allin. After losing my stack often enough on these 'wise' calls, I've learned better.

    Once again, if this were a higher buyin, I'd think about playing this hand differently (although I'd probably still fold here because I think higher buyin players know how to trap more).

    Side Note: who raises here preflop?
    First off, i dont lead for a pot sized bet here. I bet about what he bet, maybe a little more, but im not potting it. All he did was call here, that is not showing me anything, i dont put him on a king. He would have reraised you here he had a king. The turn could be considered a scare card, and hero made a standard stab at the pot, then checked. This is where he went wrong. He should have lead the tun with a good healthy bet....3/4 to pot sized. If now he comes over the top, im worried, but i can still fold and have over 2k chips. If i pot the flop, and make a 3/4 to pot turn bet and he comes over the top, i have no chips left and have to call. You leave yourself with less options. Anyway, the only reason i would ever check here is to get a player to bluff.....and i would call. Yea this board kinda sucks, but i see the button with a j8, flush draw, q10, something along those lines way more times than the nuts.
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    oh yea, and building big pots out of position generally sucks unless the player is weak tight and lets go of flops easily. So no i dont raise the k6 very often preflop.

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