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two AK hands on SB

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  1. #1

    Default two AK hands on SB

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    UTG ($92.72)
    MP ($36.53)
    CO ($97.55)
    Button ($97)
    Hero ($99.60)
    BB ($73.25)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
    1 fold, MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2.

    Flop: ($12) 7, 8, K (4 players)
    Hero bets $10, BB folds, MP folds, CO calls $10.

    Turn: ($32) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20, CO calls $20.

    River: ($72) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $25, CO calls $64.55 (All-In), Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $161.55



    not much info on the CO(only a few min in the game) but he's rather tight and doesn't raise too much.





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    UTG ($62.35)
    MP ($24.71)
    Button ($99.50)
    Hero ($101.25)
    BB ($150.90)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
    UTG calls $1, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

    Flop: ($13) A, 4, 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets $10, BB calls $10, MP folds.

    Turn: ($33) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20, BB raises to $40, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $93



    BB has 55/9/1.2.

    both hands are AK on SB, i call a raise flop top pair and both flops have flush draws. what did i do wrong? should i have rr AK if the initial raiser was pretty wild pf? should i have folded AK because i was oop? should i have stopped betting on the river in the first hand? i made the blocking bet because i thought that he might put me all in with a busted draw and i would have to fold. how should i play oop when the other player keeps calling? please teach me your kung fu
  2. #2
    #1: with AK out of position you may want to re-raise pre-flop and rep a big pair.

    #2: or you may want to call (esp. with one call ahead of you... re-raising becomes more marginal with lots of action) and then check-raise when you hit a king or ace-high flop. I don't like betting out when someone else raised and you look to be a big favorite on the flop, and can expect a bet from the other player.

    As far as these hands - hand 1 you were probably beat. His line smells of strength. It's possible he had a busted draw but there's no reason for him to think you'd fold after pouring that much money in, so if he was bluffing he either had a lock read on you, or he's not that bright. Hand 2 I'm not sure about, but I'm inclined to think you were ahead or splitting the pot. I call his raise and check the river planning to call any reasonable bet.
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    check raise both flops
    if he wants to push it your beat, if he wants to call id put money in on both turn and river (could he possibly have KQ on hand1)
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by dalecooper
    #1: with AK out of position you may want to re-raise pre-flop and rep a big pair.

    #2: or you may want to call (esp. with one call ahead of you... re-raising becomes more marginal with lots of action) and then check-raise when you hit a king or ace-high flop. I don't like betting out when someone else raised and you look to be a big favorite on the flop, and can expect a bet from the other player.

    As far as these hands - hand 1 you were probably beat. His line smells of strength. It's possible he had a busted draw but there's no reason for him to think you'd fold after pouring that much money in, so if he was bluffing he either had a lock read on you, or he's not that bright. Hand 2 I'm not sure about, but I'm inclined to think you were ahead or splitting the pot. I call his raise and check the river planning to call any reasonable bet.

    i'm pretty sure hand one had a set and hand 2 showed 87 diamonds.
  5. #5
    I'd like to coin my own acronym: RDNS (results do not surprise). That's just for hand 1. Hand 2 is a bit surprising, but I made a critical error reviewing the hand - I didn't notice BB was a caller, not the original raiser, in the pre-flop action. That changes things up. But I still like a call-then-check line for that hand on the turn/river. If your hand doesn't improve and he bets big on the river, you can re-evaluate. That's one I would probably want to showdown, and you did have 7 clean outs, as it happened (two aces, two non-diamond kings, and three fours).
  6. #6
    I sound weak but I voted fold on both hands. Hand one looks like a straight up slowplay. 100NL fish bitches rarely raise the river without having you beat. Hand two he is not bluffing for two reasons in my opinion. #1 everyone minraises the turn when they have something better than you and #2 he's not bluffing by using half his stack on a weak minraise.
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp
    I sound weak but I voted fold on both hands. Hand one looks like a straight up slowplay. 100NL fish bitches rarely raise the river without having you beat. Hand two he is not bluffing for two reasons in my opinion. #1 everyone minraises the turn when they have something better than you and #2 he's not bluffing by using half his stack on a weak minraise.
    So true.

    I would like to add that on hand one you have to be worried you are beat. I would check the river and then call a his bet, this might save you money, and might induce him to bluff if he for some reason would've been on a draw of some sorts. I like this move a lot, worth trying.
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  8. #8
    Hand One:

    Feels like you're beat to me here, two calls post flop and a raise on the end? I think you don't really want to see four to the flop w / AK out of position, you want it to be heads up if possible. So I like a reraise, if you're set on playing the hand, preflop. TPTK w/ four in the pot is a hard spot OOP.

    Hand Two:

    Do you think this is how the BB plays a draw? By minraising the turn like that? I dunno about this one, I would probably call the raise on the turn and hope for a checkdown. It's so formulaic for sets at $100NL for this pattern: call w/ pair preflop, call any bet on flop, minraise any bet on turn, then punch it hard on the river if not flush or straight appears on the board. So call $20 to see if he is on the draw for diamonds or not. Is he capable of pushing on bluffed missed draw? Or capable of repping the flush card even if he doesn't have a single pair at this point? Hand two seems much more difficult to me than hand one.
    In answer to your question... it depends...
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