What does he have!!??

[Waterdick]

Havent posted here in a while. Just interested in what you think he has and whether i should call AI?

Seat 9 - FLOPTHENUTS2 ($2350 in chips)
TXKID - Posts small blind $30
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Posts big blind $60
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to WATERDICK [Ac As]
R2R - Calls $60
SPAMUFFMAN - Folds
WATERDICK - Raises $120 to $120
WAGGA - Calls $120
DPG02 - Folds
TXKID - Folds
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Calls $60
R2R - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [8s 5s Qc]
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Checks
R2R - Checks
WATERDICK - Bets $180
WAGGA - Calls $180
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Calls $180
R2R - Folds
*** TURN *** [8s 5s Qc] [2h]
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Checks
WATERDICK - Bets $300
WAGGA - Calls $300
FLOPTHENUTS2 - Raises $1020 to $1020

[silverfist]

I'd guess you're looking at a set of eights, there. Check-call, check-push screams slow play. Nothing else really makes sense.

I think you made a terrible play pre-flop, though. Aces are nice against one or two opponents, but your mini-raise was just inviting callers. The reason you're stuck with such a tough decision now is because you made such a bad play then.

[WildBobAA]

Looks like he has a set. I agree with silverfist's post.

[brian1175]

Im going to say flush draw.

[D3scride]

Raise more preflop. I bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot on the flop with all those draws out there.

His turn bet screams a set 5s or 8s or maybe a made 2pr

I fold

[D3scride]

Im going to say flush draw.

Can you explain your justification for this?

[WildBobAA]

Im going to say flush draw.

I don't think so. People semi-bluff flush draws on the flop. Not after the turn with only 1 card to come.

[Aplomado]

Definitely looks like a set. It's highly doubtful the 2h helped him. That fact alone makes it look like a rather lame slowplay. A check/push confirms it to me. I don't think it's top pair because I don't think most people would slow play Queens after the flop. It's either a set of fives or eights in my opinion, either way you're almost certainly beat.

BTW brian flush draws don't check/push after missing their card on the turn. Not at this level anyway.

Not much you can do about this bro. Raise higher on the flop obviously, but I doubt the pocket pair would have folded so I don't think that screwed you over in this case contrary to what silverfist says. You don't want them to anyway. Just got unlucky here.

[pgil]

everybody always goes right for the set, but why not 2 pair. 25,28,2Q could have easily seen that flop with only a min raise from the BB. its still a fold, but you're not necessarily against a set.

[A10Chief]

Top 2 pair...If he flopped a set, he wouldn't have slowplayed that coordinated flop with a caller ahead of him. I'm going with two pair. Also, I agree with silverfist about the PFR. It doesn't matter if a PP would have called or not. You raise it to get chips in with the best hand and to get it HU if possible. This min-raise allowed four to the flop. Big mistake.

[Aplomado]

Top 2 pair...If he flopped a set, he wouldn't have slowplayed that coordinated flop with a caller ahead of him. I'm going with two pair. Also, I agree with silverfist about the PFR. It doesn't matter if a PP would have called or not. You raise it to get chips in with the best hand and to get it HU if possible. This min-raise allowed four to the flop. Big mistake.

I agree it's a mistake but that's not what screwed him over. You think pocket 8's at this level aren't calling a raise of, say, 4xBB? You're acting like he could've avoided this with a bigger preflop raise.

BTW I think you give these low-level players way too much credit with that kind of analysis. I don't think most of these guys play top two pair and a set any differently.

But it's irrelevant since we seem to agree he's beat.

[A10Chief]

Yeah, I think I definitely give players at this level way too much credit--given some of the...uhhhh, "unique" plays I've seen people make in the games I play anyway.
I don't mean to imply that by raising more he could've avoided this situation. I'm saying that in EP with a limper already in the pot, the correct play is to raise more than 2x the BB, regardless of the outcome of the hand. In this case, his rockets got cracked. That doesn't change the fact that the correct play was a bigger raise.

[Waterdick]

Sorry I dont have the history right now...


I called.



He had KQ



I won!

[AHiltz]

What was the buyin?

[DogOnMySide]

At low stakes (ing as well) i see this a lot - people thinking that their top pair is indestructible.

I absolutely despise your minraise though. Make it $240 to go and the donk will still call with KQ, but at least you wont have the other knobs loitering around ready to piss on your bonfire.

[dalecooper]

Don't like the pre-flop raise and don't like the call of his push. 80% of the time this costs you all your chips.