sneaky looking min raise...good or weak fold?

[Chicago_Kid]

Anspump has proven pretty aggressive and moderately tight. I had all sorts of alarm bells going off on this hand. Anyone play this differently?

I just shut it down on the turn rather than chance an annoying bubble out...

PokerStars Game #3124996309: Tournament #15448283, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/22 - 01:32:33 (ET)
Table '15448283 12' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Cooter II (21190 in chips)
Seat 2: kafluush (21532 in chips)
Seat 3: xx JT xx (10465 in chips)
Seat 4: DaChicagoKid (6800 in chips)
Seat 6: bassoniste (21743 in chips)
Seat 7: sam j1 (3145 in chips)
Seat 8: anspump (6907 in chips)
Cooter II: posts the ante 25
kafluush: posts the ante 25
xx JT xx: posts the ante 25
DaChicagoKid: posts the ante 25
bassoniste: posts the ante 25
sam j1: posts the ante 25
anspump: posts the ante 25
DaChicagoKid: posts small blind 200
bassoniste: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaChicagoKid [Ad Kh]
sam j1: folds
anspump: calls 400
Cooter II: folds
kafluush: folds
xx JT xx: folds
DaChicagoKid: raises 800 to 1200
bassoniste: folds
anspump: calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jd 2h]
DaChicagoKid: bets 1000
anspump: raises 1000 to 2000
DaChicagoKid: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Ah Jd 2h] [Jc]
DaChicagoKid: checks
anspump: bets 1200
DaChicagoKid: folds
anspump collected 6975 from pot
anspump: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6975 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Jd 2h Jc]
Seat 1: Cooter II folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kafluush folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: xx JT xx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DaChicagoKid (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: bassoniste (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: sam j1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: anspump collected (6975)

[michael1123]

Looks like its probably a really good fold. Tough to tell without being at the table and seeing how he played previously, but its always kind of tough with hands like this anyway.

It feels like he has 22 to me, and he was trying his best to keep you in.

Most of the time I probably would've played it identically. I'd like to say I'd have folded on the flop, but I probably would've called that to make sure on the turn, and that kind of turn bet is exactly what I would've been looking for to make me feel confident that I was beat.

It looks like you were thinking the same thing, and given that, you absolutely made a good fold on the turn. Your read was strong and you trusted it enough to lay down a big hand. Well done.

[Sprayed]

Question for you guys. With the blinds at 625 and a stack of 6600 would you make an all in with this? Instead of getting out played on the flop? Or is the play different out of the sb? Just curious.
Thx

[drmcboy]

with no limps I'd go 3x here. With a limp already I would usually push and I'm certainly making him pay more to draw.

[Sprayed]

with no limps I'd go 3x here. With a limp already I would usually push and I'm certainly making him pay more to draw.

That's what I was thinking.

[zenbitz]

Your flop bet with TPTK on a 2-flush board is mighty, mighty weak. 1/3rd pot?

Mostly likely hand for villain based on PF action is a PP < QQ (QQ+ probably puts you all in). It could also be a loose call with AXs or high suited connectors.

I would bet at least 2/3 pot on flop. Given your bet... I can't really argue with the call check-fold because I can't tell if he has 22, QJ, 77, or A8. You have 1/2 your stack in there but you are not quite commited.

You could have also raised more PF. He had almost 3:1 to call. I don't think a push is best either (with an M ~10 I probably don't want to flip for my stack). It's close though, since you are only dominated by AA/KK, and might get called by some sort of ATs nonsense.

[drmcboy]

I just don't know how much you can really raise and then fold to an AI, which is I think what your plan is? Even if you get smooth called are you going to lay down when he pushes a rag flop? What if he checks the rag flop to you?

I think I only non push raise here if I'm sure that the guy is so tight he won't limp and then call/push without KK/AA.