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    Default Couple hands. Did I play them right?

    Heres a couple hands from a MTT I played last night. I lost both but I was wondering if I played them right or not. Let me know what you think. Also one of the hands was (I think) pretty extraordinary as far a ppls hole cards go.
    Thanks

    At this point in the tourney there were about 150 ppl left. I was about 5,000 below average.
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    [color=darkblue]Game #1109278597 - Tournament FreeMillion - 600/1,200 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/11/23-17:27:37.8 (CST)
    Table "FreeMillion 43" (MTT) -- Seat 9 is the button
    Seat 1: pokerdoll (29,400 in chips)
    Seat 2: spasman (37,457 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ugly Ed (17,495 in chips)
    Seat 4: corkykfo (7,175 in chips)
    Seat 5: UP_IT (32,724 in chips)
    Seat 6: silz86 (37,122 in chips)
    Seat 7: _ShowMeThe$ (5,768 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ac3K1ng (40 in chips)
    Seat 9: CooLuke (10,608 in chips)
    Seat 10: chokakalot (29,026 in chips)
    spasman : Ante (75)
    Ugly Ed : Ante (75)
    corkykfo: Ante (75)
    UP_IT : Ante (75)
    silz86 : Ante (75)
    _ShowMeThe$: Ante (75)
    Ac3K1ng : Ante (40)
    CooLuke : Ante (75)
    chokakalot: Ante (75)
    pokerdoll: Ante (75)
    chokakalot: Post Small Blind (600)
    pokerdoll: Post Big Blind (1,200)
    Dealing...
    Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Qc ]
    Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Jd ]
    spasman : Fold
    Ugly Ed : Call (1,200)
    corkykfo: Fold
    UP_IT : Fold
    silz86 : Fold
    _ShowMeThe$: Fold
    CooLuke : Fold
    chokakalot: Call (600)
    pokerdoll: Check
    *** FLOP *** : [ Td As Kh ] (I flopped the A high str8. I think I should slow play, cause I need the chips.)
    chokakalot: Check
    pokerdoll: Check
    Ugly Ed : Check
    *** TURN *** : [ Td As Kh ] [ Th ] (2nd T comes down. I figure I should bet now. In case they have a set of Ts and dont get the 4th. I wasn't sure if I should bet more, cause they may already have a FH. I have lost like that quite a few times)
    chokakalot: Check
    pokerdoll: Check
    Ugly Ed : Bet (4,000)
    chokakalot: Call (4,000)
    pokerdoll said, "wow"
    pokerdoll: Fold
    *** RIVER *** : [ Td As Kh Th ] [ Tc ] (Damn! A 3rd T. Now I am pretty sure I am beat, FH or Quads. I make a small bet thinking that mb they will have a K and put me on As or on quad Ts, and I am just trying to extract a little more $)
    chokakalot: Check
    Ugly Ed : Bet (1,300)
    chokakalot: Call (1,300)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Pot: 400 | Side pot 1: 14,515 | Board: [ Td As Kh Th Tc ]
    pokerdoll lost 1,275 (folded)
    spasman lost 75 (folded)
    Ugly Ed lost 6,575 (showed hand) [ Qc Jd ] (a straight, ten to ace)
    corkykfo lost 75 (folded)
    UP_IT lost 75 (folded)
    silz86 lost 75 (folded)
    _ShowMeThe$ lost 75 (folded)
    Ac3K1ng lost 40 (showed hand) [ 3c 2c ] (three of a kind, tens)
    CooLuke lost 75 (folded)
    chokakalot bet 6,575, collected 14,915, net +8,340 (showed hand) [ 5c Kd ] (a full house, tens full of kings)

    I lose. Where all did I go wrong? Was the other player wrong in calling after the turn. Or was my bet too small? Is is smart to slow play anyway?

    Here is another hand from last night. This is the one that finished me off. I was in like 22 of 28 players with most ppl over 100,000.

    Game #1109367983 - Tournament FreeMillion - 2,000/4,000 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/11/23-18:13:12.9 (CST)
    Table "FreeMillion 83" (MTT) -- Seat 10 is the button
    Seat 1: _ShowMeThe$ (17,122 in chips)
    Seat 3: zwetschke (150,972 in chips)
    Seat 4: bodnartrot (69,038 in chips)
    Seat 5: EchoBay (27,114 in chips)
    Seat 6: 283bankshot350 (36,290 in chips)
    Seat 7: jp_md (164,077 in chips)
    Seat 8: DocFive (58,230 in chips)
    Seat 9: Ugly Ed (38,780 in chips)
    Seat 10: spasman (106,239 in chips)
    zwetschke: Ante (200)
    bodnartrot: Ante (200)
    EchoBay : Ante (200)
    283bankshot350: Ante (200)
    jp_md : Ante (200)
    DocFive : Ante (200)
    Ugly Ed : Ante (200)
    spasman : Ante (200)
    _ShowMeThe$: Ante (200)
    _ShowMeThe$: Post Small Blind (2,000)
    zwetschke: Post Big Blind (4,000)
    Dealing...
    Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Td ]
    Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Th ]
    bodnartrot: Raise (12,000)
    EchoBay : Fold
    283bankshot350: Fold
    jp_md : Fold
    DocFive : Fold
    Ugly Ed : Raise (20,000) ( I raise to 20K with the Ts. Player bodnartrot had been been raising pre flop alot,and stealing blinds. I put him on mb 2 high cards. Or garbage. I thought by raising I would either be heads up with him or he would fold.)
    spasman : Raise (30,000)
    _ShowMeThe$: Fold
    zwetschke: Raise (146,772)
    bodnartrot: Call All-in (56,838)
    Ugly Ed : Call All-in (18,580)
    spasman : Call All-in (76,039) (3 ppl go all in. I call because I could 4x up)
    spasman said, "this is it"
    Ugly Ed said, "s***"
    *** FLOP *** : [ 9d 9c Kd ]
    *** TURN *** : [ 9d 9c Kd ] [ Qc ]
    *** RIVER *** : [ 9d 9c Kd Qc ] [ 8s ]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Pot: 158,120 | Side pot 1: 90,774 | Side pot 2: 74,402 | Board: [ 9d 9c Kd Qc 8s ]
    _ShowMeThe$ lost 2,200 (folded)
    zwetschke bet 150,972, collected 119,135, net -31,837 (showed hand) [ Ad Ac ] (two pair, aces and nines)
    bodnartrot bet 69,038, collected 248,894, net +179,856 (showed hand) [ Qh Qd ] (a full house, queens full of nines)
    EchoBay lost 200 (folded)
    283bankshot350 lost 200 (folded)
    jp_md lost 200 (folded)
    DocFive lost 200 (folded)
    Ugly Ed lost 38,780 (showed hand) [ Td Th ] (two pair, tens and nines)
    spasman lost 106,239 (showed hand) [ Jc Jd ] (two pair, jacks and nines)
    I lost. Did I totally play this wrong? Also look at the hole cards. TT vs JJ vs QQ vs AA. Amazing how many times or has anyone else seen those hole cards come down together?
    Thanks for the input
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    #1 Open raise. If you're gonna play garbage like that, look to isolate. Your river bet was bad. Check fold and save chips.

    #2 Just push instead of doin 20k and committing yourself anways.
  3. #3
    Hand 1 - In a freeroll you're probably best to bet out with that hand and no reads on the flop, be aggressive, if you get called you can push the turn. Betting less on the river than you did on the turn here is a bad move.

    Hand 2 - bodnartrot: Raise (12,000) - this is in first position, had this player raised in first position before - was he playing tight - these are the questions you need to ask in order to be able to fold the tens. Your raise isn't enough (20k) it should be around 30k if you think you're hand is good, but after a reraise and an allin behind you it should be easy to get away from this hand.

    If I have TT and there was an UTG raise and a reraise allin before I got to me I'd be folding it every time. (I know this isn't the situation in this hand but a sequence of bets like that should let you know your beat)
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  4. #4
    1st hand: Raise if you're going to play the hand when the blinds are that big pre flop. At a tight table I would raise, at a loose table I would fold it pre flop. Bet your hand on the flop. You don't need to slow play to get more chips. Donks will call and you are making them pay to draw out on you. Bet half or 2/3 of the pot.

    2nd hand: Like Tano said, if you think that the guy is a loose player you can raise him, but I would normally call with TT and then see if I could hit the flop. TT is a good but not great hand at a full table. There are too many people behind you and with those reraises and all ins after you reraised, I would tend to think that you're beat. IMO, if you're going to reraise with TT do it in late position after you have seen what most of the people are going to do. Against bad players they will call your reraise with Ax or KJ+ so make sure you really want a coin flip.
  5. #5
    hand#1. Raise or fold preflop. Make a bet on the flop. like half or 2/3 of the pot. Terrible play at river. just check/fold.

    hand#2. Respect his raise from UTG. I would fold here but if you really feel he is weak push all-in if you think this is your spot to accumulate chips.
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  6. #6
    Hand 1 - limp is pretty meh. once you're there, I would bet the flop because if another BW card comes off, either you're scared of the boat, or your str8 becomes more obvious, more danger of a split pot, etc. with that flop, someone either hit it or they didn't. Giving them a free card isn't so great.

    short of a really tight read hand 2 is a clear push. as (weirdly) played fold or call are OK... you're probably a 4-1 + dog but getting such a huge price. You CAN'T smooth call pre flop (the first raise). You have no stack to play for set/over pair.

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