First Post. Good play?

[Tony]

This is my first post on FTR. I have been lurking for almost a year and decided to finally register. I have done the undisipline approach and lost a little bit then starting playing break even poker. Now, I want to become better than break even.

I mainly play sit and go's and the 5 table tourneys on Pokerstars. I am playing the low buy in tourneys to build up a bank roll. Anyways, enough about me.

Table coach berated me for my play. So here is the hand in question..

PokerStars Game #3148363515: Tournament #15575299, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/24 - 20:01:40 (ET)
Table '15575299 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Smott Poker (4705 in chips)
Seat 3: PLAINFIELD (1670 in chips)
Seat 4: PokerTony x (975 in chips)
Seat 5: jjdubs3 (10018 in chips)
Seat 6: SL33P3R44 (2380 in chips)
Seat 7: mmason1617 (4400 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: DEE RICH (9832 in chips)
Seat 9: Doggcatt17 (2255 in chips)
jjdubs3: posts small blind 50
SL33P3R44: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerTony x [8h 9s]
mmason1617: folds
DEE RICH: folds
Doggcatt17: calls 100
Smott Poker: folds
PLAINFIELD: calls 100
PokerTony x: raises 875 to 975 and is all-in

This is the point where I am pushing any two correct?
Tony

[Cpaz]

If it was a fold to you maybe. But with the limpers and pot size now someone is bound to look you up for the rest of your chips. I don't like the push here. 8 to 10 big blinds sometimes isn't as bad as you think. I maybe limp for the pot odds and hope to hit something and then push.

[MAX]

Is this a SnG? Chip stacks add up to about 36000.
Also, this is a bubble type play you are making. But you are at an 8 person table. More opponents, who aren't worried about busting, greatly reduces your fold equity. You are so short stacked that I think you'll get action, so why not wait for a better hand?

As for the table coach, I hope you needled him after catching. With your stack, luck was a necessity.

[Tony]

Is this a SnG? Chip stacks add up to about 36000.
Also, this is a bubble type play you are making. But you are at an 8 person table. More opponents, who aren't worried about busting, greatly reduces your fold equity. You are so short stacked that I think you'll get action, so why not wait for a better hand?

As for the table coach, I hope you needled him after catching. With your stack, luck was a necessity.

It was a 5 Table at Pokerstars.

The table was tight passive and did a lot of limp/folding.

This is the type of play I should use when? Bubble time?

Just let the coach call me some names and watch him bust out a few hands later.

Tony

[MAX]

If you think you will get called, then this is a bad push because no one is gonna call you with 7 high or 8 lower kicker. You will have the advantage of being heads up with some dead money in the pot, and that is significant. If you think there is a decent chance that your ai will fold them out, then the push is fine. I don't really know what percentage of time you need them to fold for this to be worth it. Your stack is so small relative to the others, I would expect a call here from someone.

Pushing on the bubble is effective because there is more to gain (the blinds are bigger) and people tighten up trying to make the money. So you have a lower risk of being called and a bigger gain when it folds around. In your spot the gain was less significant and the risk of being called (and being behind) greater.

[vqc]

you are not in a push any two position.

but this isnt a bad spot for the play.
it depends on ur feelings of the limpers

[nogenius]

Like vqc said, if the limpers are tight and have been folding to raises, then great play.

Otherwise, your fold equity is cut considerably with the presence of the two limpers, and you would be better off looking for a spot with better cards or it being folded to you.

[Tony]

you are not in a push any two position.

but this isnt a bad spot for the play.
it depends on ur feelings of the limpers

When does it become push any two? I thought when you have less than 10x .

Would this work better if it were folded to me?

Thanks
Tony

[Fortune 500]

10 BB is a very flexible standard. 10 BB goes a lot further at a nearly full table than it does at a 3-4 handed table. The blinds don't come around as fast and you have a little more time to be patient.

When to get "pushy" is a subjective thing. When a standard raise is going to pot commit you, it's time to push.

When you have a tight table (usually created by the bubble) and you have decent position, it's time to get pushy.

When can you push any two? Depends.

[Aplomado]

At 10x, you're not even really short-stacked, let alone pushing any two.

[IslandAK]

At 975 you are the severe short stack at the table, but you aren't out AND the blinds just passed you. You surely can find an Ace or a King to push with (or big connectors or a pp or something) later.

Like it was said earlier you are almost guaranteed a call with two limpers and your short stack. Try to find a spot where it's folded to you or you actually have a pushable hand. 9-handed you still need pretty decent cards to push. AT(maybe A9?) middle position (very iffy early position), any pp, someone in late position only calls and you have a K-high or better. You need to double up, multiple times, coin flips are A-OK.

In Harrington's book it says the red zone (push/fold) is M<5. You're at 6.5 here. Close call. I guess you have one limp if you choose, use it wisely.

"Would this work better if it were folded to me?" Yes. First in at least has fold equity, BUT jjdubs needs an awful hand to fold to your all in. If I'm him I'm calling you with any two. And I mean ANY two.

My thought, wait for a better time. You have time (you can even fold through another set of blinds if you have to) wait for the cards/time.

[gabe]

this certainly is a clear push, but i make it alot when i know the limpers don't have strong hands

[Fortune 500]

this certainly is a clear push, but i make it alot when i know the limpers don't have strong hands

This answer confuses me. Explanation? How's it a clear push?

[vqc]

this certainly is a clear push, but i make it alot when i know the limpers don't have strong hands

i think you meant
this is certainly a clear push that I make alot when I know the limpers dont have strong hands.