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  1. #1

    Default Good or bad push?

    20+2 180 man Sng. No reads, just moved to this table. Good or bad?

    PokerStars Game #3152096844: Tournament #15592539, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/25 - 04:03:10 (ET)
    Table '15592539 8' Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: dmartinez (2720 in chips)
    Seat 3: DragonDrake (1555 in chips)
    Seat 4: joeblade (2015 in chips)
    Seat 5: bdawg56kg (1985 in chips)
    Seat 6: sprstoner (2320 in chips)
    Seat 7: Baaloo (2020 in chips)
    Seat 8: buzzerbeater (2800 in chips)
    Seat 9: davidmillers (5165 in chips)
    dmartinez: posts small blind 50
    DragonDrake: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bdawg56kg [5s 5d]
    joeblade: folds
    bdawg56kg: calls 100
    sprstoner: folds
    Baaloo: raises 100 to 200
    buzzerbeater: folds
    davidmillers: calls 200
    dmartinez: calls 150
    DragonDrake: folds
    bdawg56kg: raises 1785 to 1985 and is all-in
  2. #2
    Bad push, the blinds are only at 50/100 why the need to push all in here, at this stage of the tournament?

    I would of played this hand two ways, either called to hit the set, or raised 3 to 4x the bb, but not pushed all in on a small pair when there was no need to risk the entire stack at this point.

    Just my .02
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    call and hope to hit the set
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  4. #4
    55 is the hand you want to see a cheap flop with hoping to catch a set. I would call this. playing this hand this aggressive will make you win a little pot or loose your whoole stack. This is not well played at all in my oppinion.
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    Default Re: Good or bad push?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
    20+2 180 man Sng. No reads, just moved to this table. Good or bad?

    PokerStars Game #3152096844: Tournament #15592539, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/25 - 04:03:10 (ET)
    Table '15592539 8' Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: dmartinez (2720 in chips)
    Seat 3: DragonDrake (1555 in chips)
    Seat 4: joeblade (2015 in chips)
    Seat 5: bdawg56kg (1985 in chips)
    Seat 6: sprstoner (2320 in chips)
    Seat 7: Baaloo (2020 in chips)
    Seat 8: buzzerbeater (2800 in chips)
    Seat 9: davidmillers (5165 in chips)
    dmartinez: posts small blind 50
    DragonDrake: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bdawg56kg [5s 5d]
    joeblade: folds
    bdawg56kg: calls 100
    sprstoner: folds
    Baaloo: raises 100 to 200
    buzzerbeater: folds
    davidmillers: calls 200
    dmartinez: calls 150
    DragonDrake: folds
    bdawg56kg: raises 1785 to 1985 and is all-in
    Can you explain why you pushed? I would have called to hit a set. You have a decent stack at this stage in the tourney. Why would you want to lose it so early?
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    he pushed because everyone has looked pretty weak here. Min raiser makes an odd play if he has a big hand, then the calls behind. 55 is probably good, if it ends up a race it's a great price. Lots of fold equity against good players repping AA.
    so I can see it.
    calling is the standard play and has a lot less varience. But I think it's a reasonable push.
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    I agree with drmcboy - it's not a horrible push. It probably is not such a good one without a read though either. The limp push definitely smells like AA to a good player - but there are so many bad players here that will call with any PP or any two big cards that your chance of being called (and being called with a hand that dominates you) is pretty good too.
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  8. #8
    If the blinds were 100/200 or 150/300 i like the push. With blinds only 50/100 you probably have another 20 hands or so to find a better situation. Still like the instincts though.
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    Results: dmartinez called w/TT and I lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    he pushed because everyone has looked pretty weak here. Min raiser makes an odd play if he has a big hand, then the calls behind. 55 is probably good, if it ends up a race it's a great price. Lots of fold equity against good players repping AA.
    so I can see it.
    calling is the standard play and has a lot less varience. But I think it's a reasonable push.
    This was exactly what I was thinking, but I respect the call and set strategy too. Normally I would do that but I just saw an opportunity to win a semi-big pot with relatively low risk. I really didn't think the minraiser could call the all-in, much less all the callers behind with my huge folding equity. I guess I was wrong tho.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignored
    playing this hand this aggressive will make you win a little pot or loose your whoole stack.
    The losing your whole stack part is right, but how can you argue that this would win me a little pot?!?! When the action gets back around to me I have 1895 and the pot is 800, so if I can win the pot with a push, I would nearly double up.


    On a side note, how do you play this hand UTG+1 with a 20BB stack? Pushing seems ridiculous. Is folding preflop an option?
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    I think this is aggro but reasonable. I would prfer 88, because I am worried about getting a call with a mid-pair.

    Interesting that they have no read on you - but you have no read on them. So, you don't know how tight the table is, and on loosish tables you are called every time by like 66 and AJs
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
    On a side note, how do you play this hand UTG+1 with a 20BB stack? Pushing seems ridiculous. Is folding preflop an option?
    I like my PPs so no I don't fold preflop with 55. However your first move to limp to me meant you are playing for a set and folding to most bets if you miss.

    Personally I raise 3xBB preflop there.

    With your limp I woulda just called the weak raise.

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