Bubble hand

[salsa4ever]

Bubble play.
Note the shortie in BB. He has 600 chips after he folds.
Fold preflop? Or good as played?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t2560)
Hero (t3676)
BB (t1065)
UTG (t6199)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J.
UTG raises to t800, 1 fold, Hero calls t600, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1475) J, 4, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t2851 (All-In), UTG calls t2851.

Turn: (t7177) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t7177) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t7177

[vqc]

why are u calling preflop?
hoping that the BB comes along for a ride?

[gabe]

i really don't want to get involved with utg here

[salsa4ever]

i called preflop because UTG (quite rightly) was min raising every single hand. so I called 600 with the intention of pushing if I hit the flop and folding if I didn't.

As it turned out, this particular time he did have a hand. KK
Good night, salsa4ever

So I should have just folded like a good boy?

[vqc]

I really dont want to tangle with the big stack here. ALthough, I dont think your thought process here was bad at all. Not bad at all. You ARE less than 10xBB and your read is that UTG is being loose when he minraises.

While I dont want to tangle, I dont blame your thinking or your play.

[daluchy]

I'm sure the BB is AI if you don't call this. If you don't call you are 2nd place in chips still too.

If the BB wasn't such a shortie I like this play however.

[gabe]

if you had him covered its an awesome play, but in general you want to avoid getting all your chips in on the bubble against someone when you know they like their hand (and they have you covered)

[A10Chief]

if you had him covered its an awesome play, but in general you want to avoid getting all your chips in on the bubble against someone when you know they like their hand (and they have you covered)

Agreed, but if big stack is bullying on the bubble, I think KJ is a good enough hand to fight back with. He just happened to pick the wrong time to fight back.

[Muxy]

I fold thid PF.

[gabe]

fighting the big stack when you are in 2nd is usually a bad idea.

[vqc]

fighting the big stack when you are in 2nd is usually a bad idea.

yes but sitting around and waiting for the bubble to burst when u have an aggro big stack isnt always good either.

Can u find a fault in his thought proccess, besides the fact that you dont like him fighting the big stack?

[dodgerfan29]

i would have not called for sure..on the bubble i like to be aggressive and error on the side of aggression, since by being willing to possibly bubble out of a tourney it will usually put you in a good position to take down the entire tourney. in my mind, theres two things to do here, fold (which is what i probably would have done), or push all in preflop..the reason i fold is because i like to be the one first into the pot and to raise it up/push depending on ur stack in relation to the blinds, and i dont want to play back especially to the chip leader with a moderate hand such as JK

[TLR]

I would have folded preflop, no reason to risk my stack on a marginal hand

[vqc]

I would have folded preflop, no reason to risk my stack on a marginal hand

preflop play aside
does anyone hate his flop play?

[TLR]

He has to bet here with TPGK and possible draws on the board.
Let assume he bet 2/3 pot and get reraised, do you fold here ?
I think it depends on your read of the big stack. If he is tight I would bet 2/3 pot and fold to a reraise, if he is loose I go broke here anytime

[vqc]

He has to bet here with TPGK and possible draws on the board.
Let assume he bet 2/3 pot and get reraised, do you fold here ?
I think it depends on your read of the big stack. If he is tight I would bet 2/3 pot and fold to a reraise, if he is loose I go broke here anytime

witht he pot so big how can u 2/3 pot it and expect to fold? that would leave u wiht like 4xBB.

[TLR]

After preflop betting:
Hero has 2870, pot is 2000.
Lets say he bets 1300 and then folds
This leaves him with 1570, BB has 600 and Button has 2500.
It is not a great position to be in but you still have a decent chance to make it ITM, which is better then nothing.

My arguement is that if villian is tight 2/3 pot bet will accomplish the same effect as pushing, while still allowing you to fold if you figure you are behind

[gabe]

After preflop betting:
Hero has 2870, pot is 2000.
Lets say he bets 1300 and then folds
This leaves him with 1570, BB has 600 and Button has 2500.
It is not a great position to be in but you still have a decent chance to make it ITM, which is better then nothing.

My arguement is that if villian is tight 2/3 pot bet will accomplish the same effect as pushing, while still allowing you to fold if you figure you are behind

villian isn't tight.

[zenbitz]

Ugly hand.. I think I call here, assuming the BB is all-in, and we can check it down.

Without the BB being so short, I think you have to raise stealer pre-flop to see where you stand. You might get destroyed by KK here anyway.

When BB folds... and my read is that big stack is stealing.... I have trouble getting away from TPGK here.

I think the right move is to check/fold the flop, because 3rd is ALOT better than 4th but it's tough to leave those 2000 chips on the table.