Having one of those days where nothing goes right...

[Fortune 500]

Table is exceptionally loose... Preflop raises not respected at all. Hence I tried to limp my AJ... Was I wrong?

Stage #251894156 Tourney ID 53862 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2005-11-28 21:45:55 (ET)
Table: 4378407 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - HOCKEYMOM26 ($3835 in chips)
Seat 2 - THELAWMAN ($845 in chips)
Seat 5 - CHICO47 ($4165 in chips)
Seat 6 - NUTS5 ($1685 in chips)
Seat 8 - FORTUNE500 ($2970 in chips)
NUTS5 - Posts small blind $100
FORTUNE500 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [Ac Js]
HOCKEYMOM26 - Calls $200
THELAWMAN - Folds
CHICO47 - Calls $200
NUTS5 - Calls $100
FORTUNE500 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [As 4d 2s]
NUTS5 - Checks
FORTUNE500 - Bets $600
HOCKEYMOM26 - Folds
CHICO47 - Folds
NUTS5 - Calls $600
*** TURN *** [As 4d 2s] [7c]
NUTS5 - Checks
FORTUNE500 - Bets $1000
NUTS5 - All-In $885
FORTUNE500 - returned ($115) : not called
*** RIVER *** [As 4d 2s 7c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NUTS5 - Shows [Qs 3s] (Flush, ace high)
FORTUNE500 - Shows [Ac Js] (One pair, aces)
NUTS5 Collects $3770 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3770)
Board [As 4d 2s 7c 9s]
Seat 1: HOCKEYMOM26 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: THELAWMAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: CHICO47 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: NUTS5 (small blind) won Total ($3770) All-In HI$3770) with Flush, ace high [Qs 3s - B:As,P:Qs,B:9s,P:3s,B:2s]
Seat 8: FORTUNE500 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ac Js - B:As,P:Ac,P:Js,B:9s,B:7c]





And then on the end...

Good or bad push with the open ender?

Stage #251897277 Tourney ID 53862 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2005-11-28 21:48:54 (ET)
Table: 4378407 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - HOCKEYMOM26 ($2935 in chips)
Seat 2 - THELAWMAN ($1690 in chips)
Seat 5 - CHICO47 ($4620 in chips)
Seat 6 - NUTS5 ($2970 in chips)
Seat 8 - FORTUNE500 ($1285 in chips)
FORTUNE500 - Posts small blind $100
HOCKEYMOM26 - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [8c 7h]
THELAWMAN - Folds
CHICO47 - Calls $200
NUTS5 - Folds
FORTUNE500 - Calls $100
HOCKEYMOM26 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Qd 9h]
FORTUNE500 - All-In $1085

[A10Chief]

Hand 1...It's tough because with UTG having you covered, you can't just push this hand. If your read is correct, and SB won't fold this preflop, then there isn't much you can do here. Obviously flopping the four-flush was enough for him to call to the river, even if it meant getting all his chips in with bad odds. I still think you should put in the raise Preflop here. Don't you want them calling with Q3s, even if this happens every so often? Other than that, you played it well.
Hand 2...I like to do this myself. You'll usually take it down right there. This flop is a little scary b/c you don't have an overcard. I prefer to do this with hands like JT on a flop of 4-8-9. That way you have a couple of extra possible outs. But I think your fold equity is high enough, combined with your outs, to make this +EV.

[Fortune 500]

I'm kicking myself a little over hand 1... I probably should have raised, but there's a part of me that says on THIS particular table, I want to shove with AJ0 then I'm just gonna have to play it multiway. It was that loose. I was far and away the tightest player at the table... And yes, I want that call with Q3.

On the second hand, the table was very loose preflop, and tended to tighten up post... I was hoping to use my tight image to pick up that pot, which would have been a major boost.

Not sure why I'm second guessing myself... been a very aggrivating day.

[JeffreyGB]

Hand 1:I disagree. I think this is an easy raise/push preflop. 500 chips is a lot to you at this point, so I'm happy to take that down. You're almost definitely ahead of everyone else preflop, so I don't mind a push to maximize your FE. A value raise (say 750) is also good. Nothing you can do about the rest of the hand, except hope to play against someone who will call for their whole stack with just a flush draw more often.

Hand 2: I fold preflop because of the caller. I'd probably check the flop OOP, and push the turn. Q and 9 are both cards that either player could reasonably have (especially given the high amount of limping that seems to be going on), making the push a little worse. It's not a horrible push on the flop, but I'd not be surprised if you get called and bust out.

[Fortune 500]

I don't see how I can fold that second hand getting 5-1 against what I mark as fish.

The push is probably not the wisest thing I've ever tried.

I don't know about the push in the first situation. You could be right. I just really didn't feel like getting all in with AJ... But you're right. It probably was the best hand, unless one of the folds had a PP... but I doubt it.

[JeffreyGB]

I don't see how I can fold that second hand getting 5-1 against what I mark as fish.

The push is probably not the wisest thing I've ever tried.

To me, it's a fold because you need your chips at this point. You still have enough to have some folding equity and push for some steals and/or some double-ups. Making thin calls with a short stack (even with decent odds) often ends up bleeding off chips that you'd be better off saving. I'd call here if the blinds were smaller, but completing represents nearly 10% of your stack. Very rarely will I limp for 10% of my stack in any circumstances, but especially when facing multiple opps.

[JeffreyGB]

I don't know about the push in the first situation. You could be right. I just really didn't feel like getting all in with AJ... But you're right. It probably was the best hand, unless one of the folds had a PP... but I doubt it.

5-handed, AJ against no aggression - there's little chance you're not ahead. You're probably ahead of most of the hands they'd call you with. Even just a raise will get you to face fewer opps here, meaning that you become sure of your hand when the flop comes, the pot is bigger, and it is then an easy push on the flop.

[K2 the ArmA]

Raise it up you turkey.

[zenbitz]

I thought you had a point about hand 1 until I realized it was 5-handed. Easy push. Given flop and turn, I think you both played it OK, because villain has 13 outs twice (gutshot!). With the Ks I think he has a clear push over on the flop.

Ug, I hate SB hands like hand 2. Raising (all-in) short stacked with 78 vs limper seems bad. Folding seems bad. Calling seems weak. Stop-n-go with 1 high card or less, any pair, or any draw seems optimal, I guess you played it right!

[Fortune 500]

Turkey? Are we still in the thanksgiving mood.

After a night of reflection on it, I have to agree that I donked hand 1. I really shuld have just pushed it. Oh well, live and learn.

hand 2, I'm not sure. No Play seems right except maybe mucking it preflop. After that, I think I've gotta push, given the Fold Equity.