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  1. #1

    Default How do you play this hand?

    Should I raise this PF?
    Should I just call him on the flop instead of pushing?

    I can't put him on QQ because he limped, possibly 99. What hands do you put him on?

    Thanks.

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    saw flop|saw showdown

    UTG (t2295)
    MP1 (t2605)
    MP2 (t2150)
    CO (t1115)
    Button (t1535)
    Hero (t1810)
    BB (t1990)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
    4 folds, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t300) Q, 8, 9 (3 players)
    Hero bets t200, BB folds, Button raises to t400, Hero raises to t1710, Button calls t1035 (All-In).

    Turn: (t3445) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t3445) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t3445
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    You have any reads on button?
    99 is always possible, but the odds are very small. I would put button on JT for the straight or KQ for TPTK - JT is more likely with limp, because KQ would be more willing to raise prf from the button.
    Btw, I think with your stack and the size of the blinds you are fine not raising this prf from the SB
  3. #3
    I dont see anything wrong with raising preflop with 88, you easily have the best hand.

    Not raising doesnt seem that bad either, however, you might also just pick up chips preflop which is good.

    Everything else looks standard to me.
  4. #4
    I didn't have any reads on the button. This is fairly early in the SNG.

    You think it's okay to push here? You're willing to pay him off if he has 99 or TJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drdeutsch
    I didn't have any reads on the button. This is fairly early in the SNG.

    You think it's okay to push here? You're willing to pay him off if he has 99 or TJ?
    the JT worries me much more than the 99. I would expect even fish to raise 99 from the button.

    Even so theres always a chance he has Q8 or Q9 or even 89, or KQ, or QJ or a bunch of other random hands. I also guarantee hes thinking, tehres no way the dude has KQ or AQ, he woulda raised preflop, or something to that effect.

    Your options are
    Push
    Call
    Fold

    FOlding is not an option.

    If you call
    on the turn the pot is 1100 and u have 1700 behind.
    As long as it is a non straight card such as T or J
    You can
    Check Call a bet (i hate it, u have no chips to do anything but call down then)
    Check Push over a bet (not bad, but u might as well have pushed the flop)
    Check fold (why would u call the flop raise then)
    Bet a small amount (see how he reacts, he could fold here thinking that ur suckering him into the straight. He could also push over in which case u fold. This one is somewhat intriguing.)
    Open push (u should just push the flop then)

    PUshing over
    U have bottom set. At best he has a flopped straight in which case ur drwaing to about 30%.
    I dont think this is a bad choice.
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    I think raising 88 prf in this spot depends on how comfortable you are postflop. If you dont feel comfortable playing 88 with overcards on the flop, then I think a limp prf is fine.

    As vq said folding to his minraise is out of question since you are getting great pot odds to call.
    I might be inclined just to call his flop raise a push would make a lot of hands that will call a turn bet fold, and you are only worried about a J or T on the turn. If a J or T doesnt fall on the turn I think I'll either valuebet the turn or check push it. This means I'll get all my chips in middle in the end anyway, but I give hands like KQ, Q8, Q9 a chance to get sucked in on the turn or river.

    That being said, your line on the flop wasnt bad.

    PS: I'm still very worried about JT here, cuz that hand seems very possible to me with the prf limp and the flopminraise. But what vq said about hero having 30% chance of filling up on the turn or river to a full house makes me worry less.
  7. #7
    There's no way I'm this deep into it without reads. With deeper stacks, I let it go. With shorter stacks, it's an auto-push. Here I play according to those reads, both of this player and of the rest of the table. I think you're about break even pushing here (between times you're ahead plus times you're behind but catch up). If such a gamble sounds good based on the rest of the table, push. If not, find a better spot.

    Any play but fold is good preflop.
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  8. #8
    Thanks for the insights, everybody.

    Villain did have JT and won, obviously. Still, glad to know I made a pretty good move.
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