5/10 SH

[StinkyBeaver]

Heres a few hands I saved for review while playing today.

1:Both guys are loose and passive. I'm just checking but this must be a clearcut river valuebet..??

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Preflop: wuss on river is Button with J, J.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO raises, wuss on river 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15.40 SB) 9, 2, 7 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, wuss on river bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, wuss on river bets, BB calls, UTG calls, CO folds.

River: (12.70 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, wuss on river checks.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

2: Villian is laggy 58/23/0,8 from 75 hands. I don't know about my turn donk here, but since the board paired it makes sense to donk and this way I might convince him that I'm holding a K. A checkraise might also have been in line but i hate the fact that I need to fire one more bullet on river if he calls me.

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Preflop: wuss on river is BB with A, J.
1 fold, MP raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 3, 9, K (2 players)
wuss on river checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 4.20 BB

3: I think both preflop and river sucks here.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 9.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J, T, Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.20 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

4: Villian is super lag. 64/23/2,5!!!! over 200 hands. How often should I bluff this river in general and how often should I do it against this guy who won't lay down any piece. Or should I just forget bluffing...??

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 7.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) Q, 6, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (5.20 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

5: Villian is passive and on the loose side 37/5/1 from 200 hands. Again my draw doesn't hit and I try to take a stab on the pot. On this particular board I prefer donking the river for several reasons. First of all should you hold an Ace or a T then this is a very normal play. Second this way I risk fewer chips than a checkraise and I won't win much if he cheks through.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 7.
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) T, T, A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

I'd really like a few comments on the river play when your draw doesn't hit. Normally I always muck this (not counting A-high hands)but there might be some EV to extract from the right guys and on the right boards.
thoughts..?

[euphoricism]

Hand 1) With that many opponents cold calling, 1 overcard on the turn, and the board pairing (though it IS a 2) I probably find a check behind too. WA/wB situation I think.
Hand 2) I like it. The donkbet works better against morons.
Hand 3) Preflop isn't that bad at all. Those cold calling fools are giving you great odds in great position. Flop bet is good, turn bet/call is good, river you can check/fold. What are you beating here?
Hand 4) Against a 64/23 I let him bet and I punish him when I hit my draw. Against a taggy, I play it the same, but might give up on the river.
Hand 5) Meh. This won't work all that often, but yes, it is the standard line with an A. with a T, you'd c/r the turn. I'd probably c/r semi-bluff at the turn and lead the river here. You might get a fold on the turn, and you might get a fold on the river, and you might hit the river. But doing so will increase your variance (I'm apparently a highly variant player..)

[elipsesjeff]

Hand 1) The Board Pairing helps your hand, value bet. As you go higher in limits, its these value bets that are the difference between being a breakeven player and a 1.5 bb/100 player. You missed 2 bets here while only risking 1.
Hand 2) Meh.
Hand 3) Fold Preflop, Fold the River.
Hand 4) Looks good.
Hand 5) I check raise this flop or turn somewhere here, folding equity here is too big.

[StinkyBeaver]

Hand 1) I'm working on my river play and I'm not valuebetting enough. after 30K hands of SH play mainly from 2/4 - 5/10 My agg. factor is:
Flop: 2,95
turn: 2,17
river: 1,32

I have a hard tie implimenting bet/fold lines in my play. Especially on the river since I'd rather check/call then. It just feel wrong to let a hand go for one more bet.

Hand 2) Here I am bet/folding so if the player is aggro enough then I'm actually putting myself in a bad spot. Would call downwork better here..?

Hadn 4) Do you continue on a lot of rivers on missed draws..?

[elipsesjeff]

I have a hard tie implimenting bet/fold lines in my play.

I was speaking with genomes about this last night, I believe its usually better to bet/call on most boards, but it really is dependant on the opponent and the board. I like the Bet Fold lines with Clarkmeistering and such.

Hand 4) Do you continue on a lot of rivers on missed draws..?

Might as well, you can't win if you don't and he only has to fold here 20% of the time to be profitable; which is again board dependant.

[StinkyBeaver]

I have been wondering about this for some time having seen ti on2+2 quite a few times.

waht exactly is the clarkmeister theorem..?

back to the continuebet on missed draws. Sure enough some boards will be better than others, but I think I need to take a better look at the board from now on since I fold river UI like always.

[elipsesjeff]

I have been wondering about this for some time having seen ti on2+2 quite a few times.

waht exactly is the clarkmeister theorem..?

back to the continuebet on missed draws. Sure enough some boards will be better than others, but I think I need to take a better look at the board from now on since I fold river UI like always.

I'll let you do your own research on clarkmeister, but its been discussed several times here and there.

It really depends on what you think you're opponent was on. If he is some donk would plays any two suited all the way down while you were either on the same draw or an OESD or even bottom pair looking to two pair. If both people in the pot are on draws, then who ever bets first will usually win. Secondly, in HU situations, think about how often a board misses you when you play a hand, because it will miss your opponent that same percentage of time as well. Something to think about there. Finally, you may get him to fold a worse hand if/when a scare card hits, like an Ace for instance (he may very well put you on AK with a raise preflop/raise flop line).