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  1. #1

    Default Push or fold, given the situation

    Alright, after taking a look at this situation, I want to know how this hand should be played. I would like to know if this might possibly be a situation where I should fold and either hope for a better situation in one more orbit? I can last 2 orbits at this point, but any raise on my big blind and I virtually have to call with any 2 because of odds. However, if I fold here, I might get lucky and some other people might knock each other out. However, this tourney only paid out 3 spots so I needed to make a push somewhere. Those are some of my thoughts. All comments are welcomed, especially those that are helpful lol.

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    PokerStars Game #3271767384: Tournament #16023896, Hold'em No Limit -
    Level V (75/150) - 2005/12/07 - 23:09:51 (ET)
    Table '16023896 2' Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: kyfool (2625 in chips)
    Seat 2: Wrappa (1050 in chips)
    Seat 4: tadpole1974 (3850 in chips)
    Seat 6: HitMePat (5110 in chips)
    Seat 7: midas006 (3095 in chips)
    Seat 8: lambchopdc (5825 in chips)
    Seat 9: Triptanes (5445 in chips)
    tadpole1974: posts small blind 75
    HitMePat: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Wrappa [9s 9d]
    midas006 said, "lol"
    midas006: folds
    Triptanes said, "i knwo i know"
    lambchopdc said, "10..9...8...7...6...5...4...3..2...1..."
    lambchopdc said, "<-is done now"
    lambchopdc said, "<--raises from EP"
    lambchopdc: raises 300 to 450
    Triptanes: calls 450
    kyfool: folds
    Triptanes said, "she dont want no one minute man"
    kyfool said, "no respect"
    Wrappa: raises 600 to 1050 and is all-in
    tadpole1974: folds
    HitMePat: folds
    lambchopdc: calls 600
    Triptanes: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [Jd 6d 7s]
    lambchopdc: checks
    Triptanes: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jd 6d 7s] [Qd]
    lambchopdc: checks
    Triptanes: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jd 6d 7s Qd] [3h]
    lambchopdc: checks
    Triptanes: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    lambchopdc: shows [Qh Kc] (a pair of Queens)
    Triptanes: mucks hand
    Wrappa: mucks hand
    Fleecey [observer] said, "wtf midas is still in"
    midas006 said, "omg cheats"
    lambchopdc collected 3375 from pot
    lambchopdc said, "< - wins pot"
    Triptanes said, "heh"
    Wrappa [observer] said, "99"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3375 | Rake 0
    Board [Jd 6d 7s Qd 3h]
    Seat 1: kyfool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Wrappa (button) mucked [9s 9d]
    Seat 4: tadpole1974 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: HitMePat (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: midas006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: lambchopdc showed [Qh Kc] and won (3375) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 9: Triptanes mucked [5c 5h]
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  2. #2
    Is there honestly no advice for this hand?
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  3. #3
    I'm still kind of a newbie, but here's my observation:

    Pot was giving 3.5 to 1 for lambchop to call your push and about 4.5 to 1 for triptanes. Both of them have comfortably large stacks and had good enough hands to raise/call preflop, so I think the 2 calls were inevitable. That gives you about 3-1 pot odds assuming both calls. You're about a 4.5 to 1 underdog against a higher pair, and a slight favorite over two higher cards. Tough choice.

    Did you have any reads on them, what they might have been playing?
  4. #4
    With such a small stack (1050 with blinds 150/75) I think you have to push it. It sucks that you have no fold equity and will likely be up against two players, but you're in a desperate situation here. I'd always go all in here and hope to triple up.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    Thanks, I didn't think I had much choice and I knew i had no fold equity. I was a pretty big favorite after the flop too so stuff happens...
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    himself fucker.
    You're not getting anyone to fold, I dunno if you wanna take 99 3 ways here.
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    You're not getting anyone to fold, I dunno if you wanna take 99 3 ways here.
    Vs 2 ppl w/ overcards you're 1/3. No FE. Shed a tear or/and gamble.
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  9. #9
    I did admit I had no fold equity. I think I've come up with my decision on how to play the situation next time, thanks for the input guys.
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