Pokerstars 180 person tourneys discussion

[The_Bankroll]

I don't a whole lot about MTTs, but these seem to be a really good place to start and get a lot of practice. these seem like they could be very profitible. so what is a good ITM/ROI to expect from these things? I know there would be a lot of variance involved, so what would be a good BR, I'm thinking like 40-50 buy-ins if you were playing these exclusively. but mainly I'm interested in what would be good stats for these things.

[a500lbgorilla]

100 roi, some ITM% like 15 or 20 would be my guess.

-'rilla

[Andy Holt]

It depends on your playing style but I think 200% ROI is achievable at this point with all the fish there are in these things. The way I play, ITM would be about 15%...

[chardrian]

I've only played 5 so far, but for right now, I am just going to play these solely. It's a perfect size, good entry fee for my current bankroll, the majority of players are bad, and I don't have to wait for a certain time to play them. My goal is to have a ROI over 100%, I don't know about ITM - to be honest if your goal was solely ITM I think you could get your % to between 25-30%. But 10-18 pay nuttin in this tourney. So I think a FT % is really what you need to be focusing on in this one. At this point my FT goal is going to be 10%. As I play more I'll reassess.

[drmcboy]

no reason ROI shouldn't be over 100 I don't think. I agree with char, the play is very bad over all, I'm using these to practice two tabling.

[shysti]

I've been wondering about the players in that tournament myslef. I think I'll have to try them out too.

[Trikflow77]

It depends on your playing style but I think 200% ROI is achievable at this point with all the fish there are in these things. The way I play, ITM would be about 15%...

a 200% ROI.........are you insane? I really dont think this is a ROI that could be mantained over a large sample size.

[drmcboy]

mtt ROI way different from SNG

[ender555]

i don't think i have a very high itm% .. probly around 10-15, but i think all that really matters is how many top 3 finishes you have. I have made 5-6 final tables in these and besides one 9th place have gotten 1st or 2nd every time.

i think i have played around 50-60 of them.

I would shoot for final table 1 out of 10 and work on closing strong. I think thats definitely maintanable with the amount of horrible players. Just don't worry about itm focus on top 3 finish's.

[Staple Gun]

I would shoot for final table 1 out of 10 and work on closing strong. I think thats definitely maintanable with the amount of horrible players. Just don't worry about itm focus on top 3 finish's.

Ageed but I think a good player will still be ITM more than 10%.

As for ROI I remember reading on P5's about a well respected pro who said he was making about 3 buyins per tourney the first half of the year. I'm not sure if he meant 3 buyins on top of his but he was either at a 300% or 400% ROI. I would expect a 200% ROI easily from these tourneys if the player is of a high caliber.

[Trikflow77]

I would shoot for final table 1 out of 10 and work on closing strong. I think thats definitely maintanable with the amount of horrible players. Just don't worry about itm focus on top 3 finish's.

Ageed but I think a good player will still be ITM more than 10%.

As for ROI I remember reading on P5's about a well respected pro who said he was making about 3 buyins per tourney the first half of the year. I'm not sure if he meant 3 buyins on top of his but he was either at a 300% or 400% ROI. I would expect a 200% ROI easily from these tourneys if the player is of a high caliber.

u guys know what johnnybax's ROI is? Its 122% And he is considered one of the best in poker. These tourneys dont have enough people in them to have a constant 200% ROI.

[drdeutsch]

I just finished my first 180 $22 tourney, and boy was it rife with fishies. I'm not that good myself, but I know better than to reraise all-in with Q3 offsuit when the blinds are only 15/30.

Anyhow, I finished in 57th place after some bad luck with my most hated hand in the deck, AK sooted. God, I hate that hand....

Oh, and I remember that we were down to 79 before the first hour was up. Those fishies love to go all-in.

drdeutsch

[zenbitz]

I played my first two... it was fun, play I thought was pretty average. I didn't see much horrible - other than the typical short stacks blinding out instead of taking a stand. Some nice aggression from some people. I came in 9th, which I'm a little bitter about since I was 5th in chips. Probably should have turtle up to make a few more buy-ins before turning on the gas.

I wish I had more 4 hour blocks to play them...

[a500lbgorilla]

I hate everyone.

I'm 0/9.

-'rilla

[Be Great]

I played one so far, finished 10th. Could've been a lot higher but I got sucked out on twice in a row when I was about 3rd in chips. Seemed pretty fish if you ask me.

[Aces]

What's an average amount of time it takes
to reach the FT?
to win it?

[Sprayed]

Takes about 3 hours to get there. It is fishy. I finished 15th tonight when I had KK against AJ. Put the guy all in when he raised and he called of course and he caught an A. Would have had 15K and crused to the FT. That's poker. The highest that I have gotten is 6th. Played these 3 times and made the money all 3.

[Warpe]

Have only played the 180 once...prefer the S&Gs for ROI...my play has been entirely financed with S&G winnings for a while now...

[boost]

to play these full time I wouldnt advise less then 100 buyins. If you are just playing 1 a day or something to that affect, 1000$ should do.

[chardrian]

I've only played 5 so far, but for right now, I am just going to play these solely. It's a perfect size, good entry fee for my current bankroll, the majority of players are bad, and I don't have to wait for a certain time to play them. My goal is to have a ROI over 100%, I don't know about ITM - to be honest if your goal was solely ITM I think you could get your % to between 25-30%. But 10-18 pay nuttin in this tourney. So I think a FT % is really what you need to be focusing on in this one. At this point my FT goal is going to be 10%. As I play more I'll reassess.

Ok still an extremely small sample size. But I've now played over 40 since this post. I have won 2, Final Tabled two others and have made the money either once or two other times. Because of those two wins my ROI is over 250% - that will come down, but I still think 100% is very doable. I am hitting my FT goal and it is going to stay the same until I see a reason to change it.

[siknd]

im on the same pace. 4 ITM/ 23 (=one win, two 7ths, one non-FT)

[CJmoney]

Played in 3 so far... came in 20th, won one and ended up in like 50th place in the latest one. Like everyone's been saying, they're pretty soft... even the players at the final table werent too tough.

[Alibi]

Played 3, final tabled two. If you play basic TAG these aren't that hard.

[K2 the ArmA]

I usually do worse in a field of fish.

[K2 the ArmA]

Scratch that, In 2nd.

[Staple Gun]

Ok still an extremely small sample size. But I've now played over 40 since this post. I have won 2, Final Tabled two others and have made the money either once or two other times. Because of those two wins my ROI is over 250% - that will come down, but I still think 100% is very doable. I am hitting my FT goal and it is going to stay the same until I see a reason to change it.

Its incredibly easy to double up off the fish early, and incredibly easy to push them around late. 100% ROI isnt hard and 250% like charidan dosnt seem impossible. Ive only played about 20, but if I lose my next 40 my ROI will still be over 250%. My only fear is that these dry up and they get harder.

As for johnnybax having a 122% ROI, he is also playing against much tougher competition. And 122% for him is still making more than 250% would be in one of these.

[mcatdog]

I finally made it deep into one of these. I won a couple of races to get to 10000 chips, and from there it was quite easy to make it to the final table because people were so easy to push around once we got down to the last three tables. I was stealing two or three times an orbit, T9, 83, AA it didn't matter what I had because I never got called.

With all my blind steals I entered the final table as a big stack, then I busted two people with KK and QQ and became the huge chip leader. A failed resteal and a bad beat and I ended up finishing 4th, but I'm really confident in my ability to destroy these tourneys in the future. The late game is actually a lot easier than the early game, in my opinion, it's like taking candy from a baby at the end.

[DoGGz]

My ROI is like 300%

[K2 the ArmA]

I get sucked out 11 times out of 10 on these.

[ilikeaces86]

My ROI is like 300%