Most passive hand ever.

[Fortune 500]

Stage #264079747 Tourney ID 56857 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $15 - 2005-12-11 20:58:17 (ET)
Table: 4624631 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BROWNDOG2122 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 2 - CORNDAWG24 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 3 - MISSEDOUT ($1470 in chips)
Seat 4 - YANKEES12 ($1500 in chips)
Seat 5 - REBATES ($1695 in chips)
Seat 6 - FORTUNE500 ($1455 in chips)
Seat 7 - JIMMEY4REAL ($1470 in chips)
Seat 8 - NOLIMITX ($1500 in chips)
Seat 9 - GLORIAG29 ($1410 in chips)
JIMMEY4REAL - Posts small blind $15
NOLIMITX - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [Qh Kh]
GLORIAG29 - Calls $30
BROWNDOG2122 - Calls $30
CORNDAWG24 - Calls $30
MISSEDOUT - Calls $30
YANKEES12 - Calls $30
REBATES - Calls $30
FORTUNE500 - Calls $30

I have a decent hand here, but it's early, and any raise that's gonna "narrow that field is going to commit a huge amount of chips... so let's call and see where it goes.


JIMMEY4REAL - Raises $45 to $60
I really, REALLY, hate this guy right now.

NOLIMITX - Folds - probably the only smart one in the group.

GLORIAG29 - Calls $30
BROWNDOG2122 - Calls $30
CORNDAWG24 - Folds
MISSEDOUT - Calls $30
YANKEES12 - Calls $30
REBATES - Calls $30
FORTUNE500 - Calls $30
*** FLOP *** [3s 6h 2h]
Good flop, but I fully expect a set to smack this at any time.
JIMMEY4REAL - Bets $30
GLORIAG29 - Calls $30
BROWNDOG2122 - Calls $30
MISSEDOUT - Calls $30
YANKEES12 - Calls $30
REBATES - Calls $30
FORTUNE500 - Calls $30 - Should I raise here? Nah. I've got a potential jackpot brewing here... let's try to flush and see if I can stack somebody.

*** TURN *** [3s 6h 2h] [9h] -GIN. I've already resigned myself to paying off AX hearts, if it's out there.

JIMMEY4REAL - Bets $90
GLORIAG29 - Folds
BROWNDOG2122 - Folds
MISSEDOUT - Calls $90
YANKEES12 - Calls $90
REBATES - Folds
FORTUNE500 - Calls $90 - No need to run them off now.

*** RIVER *** [3s 6h 2h 9h] [Js]
JIMMEY4REAL - Bets $510 - YES!
MISSEDOUT - Folds
YANKEES12 - Calls $510 - DOUBLE YES!
FORTUNE500 - All-In(Raise) $1275 to $1275 - ChaChing.
JIMMEY4REAL - Calls $765
YANKEES12 - Calls $765


I am a happy man.

Tactically, was I wrong to not raise either on the button in that pot, or to Semibluff my draw on the Flop?

[baudib]

I think you played it fairly well.

I see no sense in raising with your draw on the flop with that many in the pot -- essentially, all of them limpers. If you were heads up in this pot, I would definitely reraise with flush draw/overcards, but as is, you've got basically the best of all worlds -- the donks are seeding the pot for you and you are practically getting a free card to your draw (not quite free, but ridiculous pot odds).

If you do hit your draw, you are almost assured to get paid, because with this many people, there's a good chance that someone with a set/straight/smaller flush will be willing to pay you off.

I would have reraised on the turn, simply because you have second-to-the-nuts and there's always the chance that a fourth heart will stop anyone from betting again. (There is also the thought that you might want to make A-heart-unsuited pay to see the next card or make a set pay big to fill out, but I suppose you are committed to paying either one).

[Fortune 500]

I can see some merit in raising my flush here...

I can see some merit in letting it slide.

I think the payoff is better if I hide the flush and hope for a safe river... though you're right. If I get destacked, I've got no one to blame but myself.

[Aplomado]

I think calling the turn is much too risky.

[nogenius]

Preflop is sort of iffy, I don't really like playing KQ early, but you had good position.

On the flop, you played well considering the great odds you were getting.

I probably would have popped the turn with minraise.

[Fortune 500]

Preflop is sort of iffy, I don't really like playing KQ early, but you had good position.

On the flop, you played well considering the great odds you were getting.

I probably would have popped the turn with minraise.

I was discussing this sort of thing with vqc earlier. I would raise KQ here with a fair amount less limpers. He actually told me he'd fold this hand.

He and I clearly have very differing philosophies. I don't shy away from aggression early, and would definitely pop it up here if there weren't like 7 limpers.

It's a stylistic difference, I think. While I wouldn't call myself reckless, I certainly don't feel the need to wait around for AK/AQ or the monsters to mix it up early. I'll raise KQs with position all day given that I'm first to raise, and the position of the limpers is favorable. I'm comfortable enough postflop that I feel I can get away from it if need be.

It also depends on the format you play. I play in 1500 chip structures as opposed to Party's 800... that necessitates a strategy change too.

KQs looks plenty good to me in a pot that large for 1 BB. To each his own.

[salsa4ever]

agree with preflop
agree with flop

I raise to 240 on the turn. Two reasons:
1. get the chips in while you can. don't wanna see a 4th heart and everyone check folds
2. charge A hearts to chase.
3. i trust a noob to call more than i trust him to bet

[vqc]

agree with preflop
agree with flop

I raise to 240 on the turn. Two reasons:
1. get the chips in while you can. don't wanna see a 4th heart and everyone check folds
2. charge A hearts to chase.
3. i trust a noob to call more than i trust him to bet

SEE FORTUNE!
Raise turn =D.

[Fortune 500]

I shall think about it...

But I still think you play AK bad, vqc

[vqc]

I shall think about it...

But I still think you play AK bad, vqc

I play it GROOT
I beat TT with it last set.
went ARRR EEENNN

[Aplomado]

lol