hows this?

[edudlive]

Villain is aggro and in a lot of pots

PokerStars Game #3303060654: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/12/11 - 10:01:07 (ET)
Table 'Lydina' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 246810 ($138.75 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($101.80 in chips)
Seat 3: jay43bliz ($28.85 in chips)
Seat 4: AnD_Dufresne ($20.85 in chips)
Seat 5: boust ($96 in chips)
Seat 6: sometimeswin ($100 in chips)
AnD_Dufresne: posts small blind $0.50
boust: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [Ac Jh]
sometimeswin: folds
246810: calls $1
edudlive: raises $3 to $4
jay43bliz: folds
AnD_Dufresne: folds
boust: folds
246810: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 8c]
246810: checks
edudlive: bets $6
246810: calls $6
*** TURN *** [Jd Qd 8c] [2s]
246810: checks
edudlive: bets $8
246810: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 8c 2s] [4s]
246810: bets $7
edudlive: calls $7
*** SHOW DOWN ***
246810: shows [Ts Js] (a pair of Jacks)
edudlive: shows [Ac Jh] (a pair of Jacks - Ace kicker)
edudlive collected $49.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.50 | Rake $2.45
Board [Jd Qd 8c 2s 4s]
Seat 1: 246810 showed [Ts Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: edudlive showed [Ac Jh] and won ($49.05) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: jay43bliz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: AnD_Dufresne (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: boust (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: sometimeswin folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Pelion]

wow nice read if you really knew you were beating him. I have to say i bet the flop then possibly check behind on the turn and hope for trips/ 2 pair on the river. If i dont get it im looking for a cheap showdown or i fold. If hes in alot of pots then his in them with a Q alot and i think you are beaten alot. Does he like to call cbets just to see what happens on the next card or does he just call with a hand? I think if its the latter you really have to think you are behind. Why were you betting the turn? did you expect a fold?

[edudlive]

wow nice read if you really knew you were beating him. I have to say i bet the flop then possibly check behind on the turn and hope for trips/ 2 pair on the river. If i dont get it im looking for a cheap showdown or i fold. If hes in alot of pots then his in them with a Q alot and i think you are beaten alot. Does he like to call cbets just to see what happens on the next card or does he just call with a hand? I think if its the latter you really have to think you are behind. Why were you betting the turn? did you expect a fold?

Yeah, he liked the "bluff call" so it seemed...so he'd pick up a lot of pots when people would check on the turn.

[Miffed22001]

its standard. I think he lets you know if you're beat.
I 'guess' he thinks his tens and jacks are outs as well as the gutshot.
Still, these are the players you want to play regularly. He calls down with second pair and a lame draw.

[Irisheyes]

Looks fine based on your read. What do you do if he raises you at any point in the hand?

[edudlive]

Looks fine based on your read. What do you do if he raises you at any point in the hand?

Probably have no choice but to ditch it

[bdawg56kg]

I like checking behind on the turn. You have a hand, but not one that you want to keep building the pot with. Keep the pot size under control. If he has a Q you minmize your losses, assuming you are calling a river bet (I know I would given your read). If he has nothing, you pick off his bluff. If he has a draw, this is one situation where I don't mind giving a free card. This is why position is so important. Use it to get a free river card. Without position, this hand becomes much harder to play with an aggro villian acting after you.

What do you do if villian bets $30-35 (pot size) on the river? That's a tough and expensive call with 2nd pair. If you don't bet the turn, the pot is only $20, so if villian comes out firing $15 or so on a blank river, I think I can make this call.

[Fnord]

*yawn* doesn't look very aggro to me. Easy river call getting 6:1.

[Pelion]

ill agree the river call is easy given the pot size and what has happened so far. The more difficult descision i think is what do you do on the turn?

[Lukie]

ill agree the river call is easy given the pot size and what has happened so far. The more difficult descision i think is what do you do on the turn?

I'd either check behind or put out a more meaningful bet.. unless he's a complete donk 'bluff calling' out of position.. nobody is going to fold this turn that called that flop.

[Silly String]

Given your read: it looks like the moron draws I see in 25NL all the time. Does this Aggro opponent raise much? If he does(def. of aggro), I don't see him beating you with TPGK or better or he'd of raised. Probably has 2nd pair or draw. When the draw misses, I feel safer checking the river. Given your read, you played this into a big pot. I would have won much less by checking behind on the turn and check/calling the river. Caveat: I play full ring, not 6max. In six max, I like your aggro play against and agg opponent.