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    Default That niggly early SnG AKs

    This one has been happening a lot, please can someone assure me that making a large isolation reraising then simply check-folding this flop early on in a SnG is standard. Either that or tell me I'm horribly wrong and tell me the right way to do it.

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    UTG (t1680)
    UTG+1 (t1560)
    MP1 (t2130)
    MP2 (t1590)
    MP3 (t1380)
    CO (t1780)
    Button (t350)
    Hero (t1550)
    BB (t1480)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K.
    UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t60, 1 fold, CO calls t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t260, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200.

    Flop: (t840) J, 6, T (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t1520 (All-In), Hero folds, MP2 folds.

    Final Pot: t2360
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    Looks fine to me.

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    I prefer to make it 180.. but otherwise it's perfectly fine. Tough flop there.
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  4. #4
    Looks g00t. Isolation raise didn't work, can't c-bet that flop 3way OOP. Alternately you could just call since you're SB and it's been raised and called, but I would normally play it the same.
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    I think is SB this is good, although beeing s00ted you could just call and see a frop.
    On the button, I am more likely to just call.

    Depends on how many flops you are going to have to check/fold. About the only thing worse than that would be JT9 suited or maybe QQJ 2 suited.

    I wonder if you are better off just pushing this preflop. If someone with 66 wants to flip you - so be it.
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    i usually dont like to raise that much when the blinds are this small so you dont have what ended up happen to you, i agree with the 180 amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbitz
    I wonder if you are better off just pushing this preflop. If someone with 66 wants to flip you - so be it.
    I used to do this, but I don't think it's worth it. I hate flipping that early in an SNG.
  8. #8
    I am mostly with you Aces, I just have been recently playing the PP 22s and I am always flipping sometime - usually with worse than AKs....

    I doubt I would flip this early in deeper/slower SNG. Just seeing what people thought.
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    I call the raise here. I don't know if this is correct. The blinds are so low that I don't care to go nuts with AK even if it is suited. I want to hit a flop before investing any further. I can get away if I'm beat. If I get outflopped by allowing too many in, then I really don't give a shit this early. I'm not playing poker early on. I'm playing destack you if you let me. I risk little in the process. I'll see a lot of cheap flops with a wide range, and if I hit hard I go bust or double through.

    I think reraising AK becomes more valid when it's possible for an opponent to be stealing weak. At this stage you really have little fold equity short of an all in against a raise.

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  10. #10
    I like calling better, but you're play was fine.
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    Out of position I just call here.
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    Niggly? Nigglypuff

    I'd play it about the same.
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    I probably just call here and hope to trap a weaker TP, should I hit.

    Both are valid plays, however check-folding here means that 2/3 you're giving up 260 chips in this situation. You can probably make more than that the 1/3 of the time you hit, but I think you can make nearly the same amount that 1/3 of the time without reraising preflop if you play it right post flop.
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    reraising out of position is usually a bad idea
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    I'd say call, or perhaps even min-raise here to build up a pot. A raise to around 180 will still probably get the same folds behind you, but saves you chips those times you don't hit. That way you can work some serious chips when you do hit, and can simply fold a small investment the times you don't. Aiming for a flip with a push just doesn't seem optimal IMHO.
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    This hand would be totally different if you did the correct thing by just calling preflop. As played easy fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedevil907
    I'd say call, or perhaps even min-raise here to build up a pot. A raise to around 180 will still probably get the same folds behind you, but saves you chips those times you don't hit. That way you can work some serious chips when you do hit, and can simply fold a small investment the times you don't. Aiming for a flip with a push just doesn't seem optimal IMHO.
    I don't nessicarily agree. Why are you going to play a big pot out of position with just ace high?
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    I'd say call, or perhaps even min-raise here to build up a pot
    This is by far the worst play. Either reraise like you mean it or call.
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    ya dont min-raise that is for sure

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