20+2. AK. Embarrasing.

[vqc]

***** Hand History for Game 3180364110 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18175293) - Sat Dec 10 23:36:10 EST 2005
Table Table 67627 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TheBoneHer (800)
Seat 2: jklonoski (800)
Seat 3: eman2500 (880)
Seat 4: dofnert (920)
Seat 5: LuckyNfive (665)
Seat 6: acefel (595)
Seat 7: LukeFromB10 (775)
Seat 8: whipnslash (745)
Seat 9: datthanh8 (1095)
Seat 10: SUZYWIN (725)
SUZYWIN posts small blind (10)
TheBoneHer posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheBoneHer [ Ac, Kd ]
jklonoski folds.
eman2500 folds.
dofnert folds.
LuckyNfive folds.
acefel calls (15)
LukeFromB10 folds.
whipnslash calls (15)
datthanh8 folds.
SUZYWIN calls (5)
TheBoneHer checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kc, 7h, 6h ]
SUZYWIN bets (15)
TheBoneHer raises (50) to 50
acefel folds.
whipnslash folds.
SUZYWIN calls (35)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
SUZYWIN bets (15)
TheBoneHer raises (85) to 85
SUZYWIN raises (140) to 155
TheBoneHer calls (70)
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
SUZYWIN bets (100)
TheBoneHer folds.

Discuss

[gabe]

thats certainly a strange fold after calling the turn


BUT RAISE MORE ON THE FLOP GEEZ

[vqc]

thats certainly a strange fold after calling the turn


BUT RAISE MORE ON THE FLOP GEEZ

when ur 99% sure ur beat, the pots gonna need to be HUGE for me to call.

[gabe]

so you call the turn?

and agreed that flop raise has to be bigger?

[vqc]

so you call the turn?

and agreed that flop raise has to be bigger?

no i was talking about the river fold. If the pot was like 1 million I woudlve called, even tho i knew that he was most likely holding the straight.

yes flop raise bigger.

[aislephive]

I doubt he rivered the straight, would he reraise you the minimum with an open ended straight draw? He either had the straight already on the turn, which is very unlikely considering he would have to have T8 or 58. T8 is extremely unlikely considering he would be calling with just a gutshot straight draw. 58 is unlikely to even be in the hand pre-flop. They most likely have two pair or a set, and I would probably push the river to make it look like you've got the straight.

One thing I don't understand here is that you're not raising AK preflop but you're playing a big pot with it after the flop. The whole point of limping in or just checking from the BB is to not get involved early with only ace high. If you're going to let in three other players into the pot for free you need to be cautious even after hitting TPTK. The only thing you can really beat on the turn is a bluff or maybe if you're fortunate a hand like KJ or KQ. The point is, if you're going to play a big pot after the flop with AK, you might as well raise preflop and thin the field.

[vqc]

I doubt he rivered the straight, would he reraise you the minimum with an open ended straight draw? He either had the straight already on the turn, which is very unlikely considering he would have to have T8 or 58. T8 is extremely unlikely considering he would be calling with just a gutshot straight draw. 58 is unlikely to even be in the hand pre-flop. They most likely have two pair or a set, and I would probably push the river to make it look like you've got the straight.

One thing I don't understand here is that you're not raising AK preflop but you're playing a big pot with it after the flop. The whole point of limping in or just checking from the BB is to not get involved early with only ace high. If you're going to let in three other players into the pot for free you need to be cautious even after hitting TPTK. The only thing you can really beat on the turn is a bluff or maybe if you're fortunate a hand like KJ or KQ. The point is, if you're going to play a big pot after the flop with AK, you might as well raise preflop and thin the field.

By big pot i usualy mean like 150 chips in the pot before we even get to see the flop.

This hand was essentially a HU hand with 45 chips in the middle as antes. The hand iddnt get out of control till the turn.

WHy couldnt he have K8?

[aislephive]

K8 is the only hand that he can have that you had beat on the turn. But why would he min-reraise you here? That doesn't make sense. If you really thought you were ahead here, why not make a healthy reraise on the turn? Hit 100 river bet screams weakness, I would've come over the top here.

[Fortune 500]

I have to admit VQ, this preflop limping with AK seems to be costing you money... You're controlling pot sizes, but it sure as heck seems like everyone else is winning them.

I dunno. Seems passive to me. I know it's early and all. If you don't take control of the pot, you're firing in the dark postflop, and it seems you've got no right to question when someone else with a rag pulls one out on you.

Much like your AK hand from yesterday, if you put some pressure on preflop, you take down the pot. It seems like your way you're losing money on the turn. Take that same money, invest it on the flop, and it seems a hell of a lot better spent.

I respect your game.... but this just seems asinine to me. I don't get it.

Please enlighten me, because I could be entirely off base here.

[vqc]

I have to admit VQ, this preflop limping with AK seems to be costing you money... You're controlling pot sizes, but it sure as heck seems like everyone else is winning them.

I dunno. Seems passive to me. I know it's early and all. If you don't take control of the pot, you're firing in the dark postflop, and it seems you've got no right to question when someone else with a rag pulls one out on you.

Much like your AK hand from yesterday, if you put some pressure on preflop, you take down the pot. It seems like your way you're losing money on the turn. Take that same money, invest it on the flop, and it seems a hell of a lot better spent.

I respect your game.... but this just seems asinine to me. I don't get it.

Please enlighten me, because I could be entirely off base here.

well obviously im just posting the problem hands here, there are alot of AK hands that im not posting. Im getting ptracker soon so I will give u an update when I can =).

[zenbitz]

Fold the turn - UNLESS you think that your deceptive AK limp means she plays KQ the same (and is now worried about YOUR straight draw)..

But ... 2 pair or psuedo-slow played set (cranked up when draw becomes scary) are possible.

If she's a donk - get her chips later.

[KY_Ace]

Betting the minimum on the turn and then reraising, smells like a trap to me, I think SUZYWIN bet the minimum on the turn hoping that you would see this as a sign of weakness and put in a raise(like she saw you do on the flop). She only had to call 5 pre-flop so she could've started with anything. I would guess she flopped a set, the 100 on the river seems like a blocking bet with the straight showing. I'd have to agree with zenbitz, give it up when u get reraised on the turn. Tough hand to play.

[konahead]

with 3 limpers and you last to act pre-flop, a good raise of 75-100 would have cleared out most of the riff-raff. I can see limping UTG or UTG+1, but try to clear out some stragglers when you're in late position or in the blinds with big slick.
Then you're getting 5-1 odds on the river - I think you have to call that.