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  1. #1

    Default 20+2. 99 push over.

    #Game No : 3189962726
    ***** Hand History for Game 3189962726 *****
    NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:18222352 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Monday, December 12, 18:11:24 EDT 2005
    Table Table 67756 (Real Money)
    Seat 10 is the button
    Total number of players : 6
    Seat 1: mousy2 ( $1015 )
    Seat 2: smm47 ( $1590 )
    Seat 4: PC_XII ( $2315 )
    Seat 6: mustymind ( $470 )
    Seat 9: TheBoneHer ( $1045 )
    Seat 10: JAYMONEY47 ( $1565 )
    Trny:18222352 Level:3
    Blinds(25/50)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to TheBoneHer [ 9d 9c ]
    PC_XII raises [150].
    mustymind folds.
    TheBoneHer is all-In [1045]

    Vilian had been playing alot of hands.
    Raising alot from many positions and just plain all over the place.

    Discuss.
  2. #2
    I don't think this is necessary.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Aplomado
    I don't think this is necessary.
    whats ur line then against a loose aggro villian?
  4. #4
    To be honest I'm not really sure. I just don't think risking all your chips with mid-pocket pair when you have 20xBB is a good idea.

    I'll let someone else here take a stab at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aplomado
    I don't think this is necessary.
    Agree....but i agree because this is level three and im not ready to start flipping quaters just yet.

    If this was lv 4 and he raised to t300......i would be more than happy to push on a loose aggro raiser.

    My play at level three most of the time here with your stack........flat call. Ehy? You have position on a loose aggro player...take a flop.
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    I like this play. It's a 20+2, you can't just play safe and assume you'll be able to outplay the field in the later rounds. This guy sounds like he's as likely to call you with AA as he is to call you with 22. You own 7 pairs and you're owned by 5 pairs. You're a favorite to any unpaired hand. Regardless of the results you are right to reraise here, when his 3xBB raise is %15 of your stack, there's only one right way to reraise, all-in.

    When poker players refer to coinflips, they are usually reffering to 55/45 situations. 99 will beat AKo about %55 of the time, TJs is more like 50/50 (I'm doing this from memory forgive me if I'm off by %1). The AK is the one that'll call your re-raise. 55/45 dosn't seem much different from 50/50 but consider this scenario: you're involved in 3 major races for big pots in a tournament, if you win all 3 you will win the tournament. Case 1: you have AKo you're opponent has a big pair (not AA or KK) probability of winning all 3 races = 0.45 x 0.45 x 0.45 = 0.091125. Case 2: you have the pair, your opponent has AKo, probability of winning all 3 races = 0.55 x 0.55 x 0.55 = 0.166375. That little %5 above 50/50 almost doubles your chances of winning the tournament. This is the law of large numbers and it is the reason that the house always wins in the long run in roulette craps etc. Being suited adds about %2.5 to a hand in a race. 99 is still at least 52/48 over AKs.

    This guy's a loose player with a big stack and 150 of his chips already in the pot, he'll call you with smaller pairs and a bunch of other hands. If you win 2 races against this guy you'll have a huge stack and you won't have to worry about this bully anymore and you can start to lean on the short stacks and go for the win.

    Phil Helmuth Jr. won the 1989 WSOP by re-raising AI with 99, Johnny Chan called him with A7s because he already had alot of his chips in and was getting some pot odds to make a call. Johnny Chan said after the tounament, "Sometimes you have to gamble". I know this is 20+2 SNG and not the WSOP but the concept is the same, make your opponent gamble with the worst hand.

    I always try to be the player with the pair in a race, I'm not afraid of the AK, I only fear the bigger pair. Early in a SNG I'll call HU for All my chips with AA,KK,QQ and sometimes JJ. I'll re-raise big HU with KK,QQ,JJ,TT and sometimes 99 (AA is the only hand i will trap with by mini-raising). I'll re-raise with weaker hands than I'll call with because my opponent may be priced into calling with weaker hands (77 hoping I have AK, a hand I don't like to push with early). Reraising can also win me the pot without a flop. I'll only make the dreaded 3rd raise with AA or KK. There's alot of other factors like position and my table image and my notes on my opponent, but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding being the player with the smaller pair early in a SNG.
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  7. #7
    You will only get called by hands that dominate you or are coinflp (ok - 45/55).
    I dont think it is worth it this early.
    Call him and see what the flop brings


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    this situation came up in a 180 SNG last night where chardrian and i were at the same table in the second hour. chard reraised w/ 99 allin over the top of an out-of-position AQo 3xBB raise. it became a race and villian rivered an ace.

    if chard had flat called the raise and pushed the flop, he most likely would have taken the pot as neither player was pot committed at that point.

    risk: no isolation by allowing the blinds in.
    reward: AQ/ AK need to see all five board cards in order to really have a coin flip. these hands really shrink up when they miss the flop. i prefer to run a stop and go in position in this spot.
    'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
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    I like this play better when the blinds are bigger and you're in the CO, button, or blinds. Too many people left to act after you, and blinds are too small to start pushing w middle pair. imho.

    edit - i guess you were in the CO - i like it better given that...
  10. #10
    ...so after pre-flop there is another round of betting called post-flop where bad players somehow manage to make even worse plays than durring pre-flop...
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    Quote Originally Posted by siknd
    i prefer to run a stop and go in position in this spot.
    same here... depending on the number of players and the board texture

    not that bad of a play really IMO against that type of player, I would prefer if this was the next level though, but will gladly take 225 chips.

    Chances of opp folding are pretty high, combined with the chances that he'll call with over-cards, or a lower pair, should give you enough of an edge to make this move, IMO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    ...so after pre-flop this is another round of betting called post-flop where bad players somehow manage to make even worse plays than durring pre-flop...
    Right.
    Thats why im pushing preflop =D
  13. #13
    i like this play. not hugely, but i like it more than i hate it.
    The poker gods love me really, they are just testing my faith !

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