20+2. Du Ma.

[vqc]

#Game No : 3186721876
***** Hand History for Game 3186721876 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:18206651 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, December 12, 00:12:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 67779 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Bazuulbazuul ( $1680 )
Seat 2: pi_phu_28 ( $1240 )
Seat 3: gmmeurchips ( $435 )
Seat 4: kiddkabuki ( $310 )
Seat 5: huka2911 ( $1730 )
Seat 6: dolllabilz ( $570 )
Seat 8: ButteRatz ( $645 )
Seat 10: TheBoneHer ( $1390 )
Trny:18206651 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheBoneHer [ As Jd ]
ButteRatz folds.
TheBoneHer raises [250].
Bazuulbazuul raises [500].
pi_phu_28 folds.
gmmeurchips folds.
kiddkabuki folds.
huka2911 folds.
dolllabilz folds.
TheBoneHer calls [250].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Qc, 5s ]
TheBoneHer is all-In [890]

uhhhh...

preflop line
postflop line.

check check
sanity check.

[a500lbgorilla]

I straight up fold preflop

To clarify, fold to his reraiase.

[Aplomado]

Yech. With that at this level and in that position I'm calling the BB at the most. I'm definitely not calling a 5xBB reraise.

[Fnord]

What'cha know about the other guy?

I'm inclined to just dump it to the min-raise. The problem is that a call pretty much commits you to playing for stacks and doing something silly like your flop line.

[gabe]

i fold every step of the way.

[vqc]

I dont hate the initial raise here.

Its everything else that I hate.

This is why i like raising here with XX better than AJ.
Stupid AJ.
STUPID DAY!!!!!

I fold to his reraise next time. This was truly just a steal attempt.

[ProZachNation]

I dont think you should get in this fight at this time, dump to the reraise.

[zenbitz]

No read, I might call the re-raise. check/fold that flop. Folding to the c/r is ok too

[Fnord]

This was truly just a steal attempt.

If you consider raising with what figures to be the best hand with huge blinds to be stealing, then sure...

[vqc]

This was truly just a steal attempt.

If you consider raising with what figures to be the best hand with huge blinds to be stealing, then sure...

Well its not good enough to stand up to a preflop minraise. SO it may as well be a stealing play unless we can see a flop.

[Fnord]

Well its not good enough to stand up to a preflop minraise. SO it may as well be a stealing play unless we can see a flop.

...except that it's not.

I used to think this way too.

[konahead]

AJo is borderline ok to limp in EP w 8 players, but definately not worth a raise w so many to act after you. And by all means, fold to the reraise.

With the push, did you have some read that opp didnt have a pp or AQ? or were you just gambling? Not a bad flop for a stop-n-go, but risky....

[vqc]

Well its not good enough to stand up to a preflop minraise. SO it may as well be a stealing play unless we can see a flop.

...except that it's not.

I used to think this way too.

Do we agree that the initial raise was correct for many a reason?
INcluding but not restricted to: Picking up blinds, seeing flop against a few people and still having the best hand.

[Fnord]

Do we agree that the initial raise was correct for many a reason?
INcluding but not restricted to: Picking up blinds, seeing flop against a few people and still having the best hand.

Yup. I like to play g00t hands with shallow money too.

[vqc]

Do we agree that the initial raise was correct for many a reason?
INcluding but not restricted to: Picking up blinds, seeing flop against a few people and still having the best hand.

Yup. I like to play g00t hands with shallow money too.

Fnord, im about to go to the dentists office now.
BUt when i get back
Im gonna go onto MSNmessenger.
And u better be there.

[Fnord]

AJo is borderline ok to limp in EP w 8 players

I really hate limping as the first one in.

but definately not worth a raise w so many to act after you.

Ummm... we have 14bb and no reason to think we don't have the best hand.

[konahead]

6 players to go - not so sure it's the best hand, and I'm not a big fan of AJo. With 14 bb and early position, I like to see a flop w AJo and fold to any raise except a min raise from button. But I trust my post flop abilities so I have no problem limping w AJo.

If vq had less chips, I'd fold, unless in red zone - then its a push. But 14 bb is right about the minimum stack for me to limp and see the flop. I'd be aggressive w any J or A on the flop, and if not, try to keep the pot small and use pot odds for any straight/flush draws.

But either way, I think we can agree that vq should have folded to the reraise.

[vqc]

6 players to go - not so sure it's the best hand, and I'm not a big fan of AJo. With 14 bb and early position, I like to see a flop w AJo and fold to any raise except a min raise from button. But I trust my post flop abilities so I have no problem limping w AJo.

If vq had less chips, I'd fold, unless in red zone - then its a push. But 14 bb is right about the minimum stack for me to limp and see the flop. I'd be aggressive w any J or A on the flop, and if not, try to keep the pot small and use pot odds for any straight/flush draws.

But either way, I think we can agree that vq should have folded to the reraise.

I think limping here with AJ is horrible.
Ur stack here is good enough for a raise and a c-bet, with what is most likely the best hand unless someone tells you toherwise. Limping is bad becuase there is a big chance that it wont keep the pot small (im comparison to everyones stack size). Any limper after you just makes things that much worse.

[konahead]

I like to limp medium hands in EP at an almost full table, but to each his own. I know you hate post-flop play.....

Besides, if you raise and you get reraised by a better hand, you have to fold and have used up 20% of your stack instead of just 7%. Limping in EP with these types of medium hands is not a bad play if you can see a cheap flop. I don't think it's strictly a raise or fold situation (unless it's been really aggressive and you know you can't see the flop unraised.)

I may even limp AQo here, until blinds hit 150+ or you're down to 5 players, depending on the table texture. But I'm pretty conservative....

[zenbitz]

Good PFR, fold to re-raise barring ultra lagg read.

If re-raiser is proven laggy, then I assume he has a medium pair or AX at best. Push any J/A flop, maybe any flop with 2 high cards. You are gambling tho.

[Fortune 500]

I don't mind the way it played out. AJo is a little shallow for an UTG raise, but I think if you're gonna play it, you gotta raise it.

Calling the Minraise isn't a bad play here, short handed...

I actually love the Open push post flop. It's an aggro play, and is basically a higher risk Stop N Go. If it blows up in your face, it blows up spectacularly, but you've got a big pot, and this is your best chance to take it down. Any hand below QQ is going to drop it here.

Does the Minraise = KK/AA? Not always... I've seen plenty of smaller pockets and even AK/AQ make this play to define where they stand in the hand.

Nice play.

How bad did it blow up in your face?