A good fold? Final table decision

[Zidane18]

He raised so small for a short stack in early position that i put him on aces or kings

would u have called?

Game #1101821474: Hold'em NL (400/800) - 2005/12/17 - 20:17:05 (UK)
Table "Tourney 1556901 - 1" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: thenewt (10742 in chips)
Seat 2: johncash (6100 in chips)
Seat 3: Livross (5055 in chips)
Seat 5: Pau071045 (15120 in chips)
Seat 6: changaeng (25060 in chips)
Seat 7: Loser18 (12310 in chips)
Seat 8: Woodward1 (3480 in chips)
Seat 10: Poker123 (22633 in chips)
changaeng: posts the ante 100
Loser18: posts the ante 100
Woodward1: posts the ante 100
Poker123: posts the ante 100
thenewt: posts the ante 100
johncash: posts the ante 100
Livross: posts the ante 100
Pau071045: posts the ante 100
changaeng: posts small blind 400
Loser18: posts big blind 800
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Loser18 [Tc Jc]
Woodward1: raises to 1600
Poker123: folds
thenewt: folds
johncash: folds
Livross: folds
Pau071045: folds
changaeng: folds
Loser18: folds
Returned uncalled bets 800 to Woodward1
Woodward1: doesn't show hand
Woodward1 collects 2800 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 2800 Main pot 2800 Rake 0
Seat 1: thenewt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: johncash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Livross folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Pau071045 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: changaeng (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Loser18 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Woodward1 collected 2800
Seat 10: Poker123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[RangerX]

If I'm the last one to be able to call this in this situation I might call, hoping to hit a monster flop or a flop that would scare the hand you put him on. I don't think what you did was wrong, trusting your reads is important, but if you had hit a straight, flush, or two pair on the flop and he had KK or AA you are guaranteed his stack.

[Zidane18]

If I'm the last one to be able to call this in this situation I might call, hoping to hit a monster flop or a flop that would scare the hand you put him on. I don't think what you did was wrong, trusting your reads is important, but if you had hit a straight, flush, or two pair on the flop and he had KK or AA you are guaranteed his stack.

ya, the reason i didnt call was because his stack after this miniraise was so small. i.e. i didnt like my implied odds

i have gone back and forth on this decision and would be interested to see what others think

[KY_Ace]

If I'm the last one to be able to call this in this situation I might call, hoping to hit a monster flop or a flop that would scare the hand you put him on. I don't think what you did was wrong, trusting your reads is important, but if you had hit a straight, flush, or two pair on the flop and he had KK or AA you are guaranteed his stack.

I'm not sure if you noticed the PFRs stack size, if Zidane makes a pair of tens and the PFR only makes ace high Zidane will get his stack, he's already pot commited. The PFR is getting 3 to 1 on the flop.

The way I'd analyse the hand is this: the rest of his chips will definately go into the pot on the flop, so you're calling 2680 to make 5,040, about 2 to 1. The way he played the hand makes it unlikely that you're getting 2 to 1, I think you made the right move.

The interesting thing about this hand is that if he had gone all-in you'de be right to call him because he'd be likely to have a hand like A7o, and you're getting a great price.

[Zidane18]

If I'm the last one to be able to call this in this situation I might call, hoping to hit a monster flop or a flop that would scare the hand you put him on. I don't think what you did was wrong, trusting your reads is important, but if you had hit a straight, flush, or two pair on the flop and he had KK or AA you are guaranteed his stack.

I'm not sure if you noticed the PFRs stack size, if Zidane makes a pair of tens and the PFR only makes ace high Zidane will get his stack, he's already pot commited. The PFR is getting 3 to 1 on the flop.

The way I'd analyse the hand is this: the rest of his chips will definately go into the pot on the flop, so you're calling 2680 to make 5,040, about 2 to 1. The way he played the hand makes it unlikely that you're getting 2 to 1, I think you made the right move.

The interesting thing about this hand is that if he had gone all-in you'de be right to call him because he'd be likely to have a hand like A7o, and you're getting a great price.

but my thought was with a7 he woulda just stuck it all in cos he could of got the blinds without a showdown.

to me, his small raise stunk of a massive hand he wanted action on

[drmcboy]

classic "What level are we on" hand - because of all the reasons you state SS here could make this raise with a lot of hands, assuming he'll end up AI either way but thinking he may have a better chance of stealing doing this.

Also while we all know that SS shold not fold whatever happens after putting in his 1600, SS may not know that. You will see people fold getting 4/1+ post flop when they have whiffed. It's easy to say I'll raise XXX then push/call whatever the flop is, but a lot of people can't follow through looking at 77 on the AK6 flop.

So this is really a tough spot. I think either play is OK.

What you should not do:

Call trying to hit. If you call, you're pushing the flop. Calling and then folding to his push is the only really bad play you can make here with no read IMO.

[zenbitz]

You are getting almost 4:1 here with the antes no?

I think you should call, but not push ANY flop. Villain probably has a pair - likely a high pair. He could also have AX where X is probably K/Q *maybe* J/T. If you really stretch his range he has KQ some of the time here.

With that range, I want SOME outs I push any 2 clubs, any T any J, any OESD for sure. Probably will not push all undercards or AXX KXX.

Not sure about QXX, or AAX, KKX, AKX, AQX. Those are all close. I don't like pushing 677 because he probably has a pair, so I have 6 outs AT BEST, maybe drawing near dead (runner-runner hands only). If he doesn't have a pair, he probably has high overcards AQ/AK, so will probably call anyway (of course, we know he has to call with any two)

[m3laNcholy]

ya, the reason i didnt call was because his stack after this miniraise was so small. i.e. i didnt like my implied odds

?

[chardrian]

I would almost always call that bet.

[SteveO]

Genarally a good fold based on that read. Opponent is pot committed.

Ask yourself if you are up for committing T3400 on that hand?

It seems that you answered "no". So good fold.

If you lose you are at T9000 and back to middle stack.

If you had more chips definitely call.

[Sprayed]

Got to call.