10+1. JJ.

[vqc]

***** Hand History for Game 3230662975 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18432992 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, December 19, 22:39:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 67862 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TheBoneHer ( $730 )
Seat 2: eaglesfan11 ( $765 )
Seat 3: jbibop ( $725 )
Seat 4: af2003ram ( $1130 )
Seat 5: anglerdude ( $650 )
Seat 6: kmf4107 ( $800 )
Seat 7: bizformguy ( $660 )
Seat 8: broter2 ( $905 )
Seat 9: RONMONTANA4 ( $835 )
Seat 10: Invalid_Acct ( $800 )
Trny:18432992 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheBoneHer [ Jc Jd ]
broter2 folds.
RONMONTANA4 calls [30].
Invalid_Acct folds.
TheBoneHer calls [30].
eaglesfan11 folds.
jbibop folds.
af2003ram folds.
anglerdude folds.
kmf4107 calls [15].
bizformguy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 6s, Qd ]
kmf4107 checks.
bizformguy checks.
RONMONTANA4 checks.
TheBoneHer checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
kmf4107 bets [100].
bizformguy folds.
RONMONTANA4 folds.
TheBoneHer ??????????

[Aplomado]

Bet $100 on the flop. If you get called I'd check/fold.

[KY_Ace]

You played this one really passively up to this point, so if the SB had an 8 he'd have to think he had the best hand. He could also be semi-bluffing with a spade draw. He could aslo have a weak Queen in the SB.

I would make the minimum raise on the turn and check the river. If you show weakness on the turn by just calling, you might face a big bluff bet on the river. A big raise will scare off a player with an 8(only 5 outs with one card to come). Betting the river can only cost you if he's on the draw or if he hit his kicker with the 8. I think he's a little more likely to have an 8 than a Q here, but not worth a river bet.

[Blinky]

You have to bet the flop.

As it is, raise the turn bet. You need to find out where you stand; nobody has really shown any strength and it's likely that you have the best hand.

[Aces]

Why no PF raise? As played raise the turn if you don't bet the flop. I think a Q normally bets that flop whether it's a weak Q or not.

[skorpeo]

You should have bet the flop. The pot or a bit more. something you could fold with a big re-raise.

[skorpeo]

You should bet the flop becuase you have a good, but not great hand. It' s nothing to get clever with.

[LeFou]

i just had a nearly-identical hand at a little ring game. it was headup, but i had JJ and a Q flopped. I got CR'd and put the guy all in. Versus 3 guys i might check to the turn.

I gotta go to 400 on this turn though. I think you're ahead.

[Sprayed]

vq - Where you trying to not over value J's early in the game buy not raising pre-flop? I have seen several posts lately commenting on playing J's and 10's like a small pair early in the tourney and not going too far with them. What says you?

As played, bet flop to see where you are at. Then go from there.

[a500lbgorilla]

I fold and don't even mind. I can't really justify getting too involved here with the limited information we have.

I don't think saying "JJ is good here" is very meaningful at this point.

4-ways, with no set, I just let it go.

[Phew72]

You should have bet the flop. The pot or a bit more. something you could fold with a big re-raise.

After limping PF, I agree w/ Skorpeo (and most others) that a flop bet would be the way to get the information you need.
I do disagree w/ the "pot or a bit more" statement. I would bet about three-quarters pot (90- 100) - if your opponents have nothing they will just as easily fold to that as "pot or more" bet. Also makes it even easier to let go if someone comes over the top.

Regarding the hand as described, I'd raise between 300-400 to get information about RONMONTANA4's strength.

Blimey, this just got so much more expensive for information on the turn following a probe bet!

[Rondavu]

I fold and don't even mind. I can't really justify getting too involved here with the limited information we have.

I don't think saying "JJ is good here" is very meaningful at this point.

4-ways, with no set, I just let it go.

This is exactly what I would do. I don't believe he has a Q based on the size of the bet, but I also don't care about this hand enough to lose chips if I'm wrong. Don't get involved in uncertainty early on. It's not worth the risk.

[Easy17]

i agree also, i fold.

however, i would have made some small bets either preflop or on the flop to get some information. Then if i thought i was good i might play differently.

[vqc]

I raised it to 300 or 400 or something in between and he flat called.

Then he led the river for a lot of chips and then I folded.

[midas06]

I raised it to 300 or 400 or something in between and he flat called.

Then he led the river for a lot of chips and then I folded.

I think I play that the same as well.

[zenbitz]

Since you are in position, I probe bet the flop, just like 60-80 chips. Probably check/folding the turn unimproved.

If you check... I think I like a call here better than a raise. Deeper stacks, I raise, but you are not folding alot of better hands with your raise.

Worst case scenario by call is that he picked up a flush draw on the turn. I'm willing to risk 100 more chips to see what he does on the river.

Note that if he bets big on the river... the only difference between raising the turn and just calling is that by calling you lost more chips because you can't call a big bet on the river. I guess you gain piece of mind knowing that his bet is less likely to be a bluff.

Can't fault a fold on the turn either.

[vqc]

I think i would usually flat call here, but i am trying to be a bit more aggro on the turn per triks teachings.