Sensing weakness... sort of

[zenbitz]

PokerStars Game #3415112560: Tournament #16933610, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/12/23 - 15:55:28 (ET)
Table '16933610 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: movinon1969 (2370 in chips)
Seat 2: okyukon (1470 in chips)
Seat 3: Jacov (1685 in chips)
Seat 4: zenbitz (1775 in chips)
Seat 6: Milk Dylan (1345 in chips)
Seat 7: ch1r0c27 (2073 in chips)
Seat 8: RadioXprt (2092 in chips)
Seat 9: KnockItStiff (690 in chips)
Jacov: posts small blind 50
zenbitz: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [3s 8h]
Milk Dylan: folds
ch1r0c27: calls 100
RadioXprt: folds
KnockItStiff: folds
movinon1969: folds
okyukon: folds
Jacov: calls 50
zenbitz: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d Jd Kh]
Jacov: checks
zenbitz: bets 200
ch1r0c27: calls 200
Jacov: folds
*** TURN *** [8d Jd Kh] [5s]
zenbitz: checks
ch1r0c27: bets 100
zenbitz: raises 400 to 500
ch1r0c27: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [8d Jd Kh 5s] [4s]
zenbitz: checks
ch1r0c27: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zenbitz: shows [3s 8h] (a pair of Eights)
ch1r0c27: shows [Td Js] (a pair of Jacks)
ch1r0c27 collected 1700 from pot


After my probe bet was called, I was planning to check/fold... but I couldn't let that min bet go unanswered, could I???

[AHiltz]

He assumed you were attacking the 5, and vice versa. Nice play. Next hand.

[Eat the Flesh]

I would of kicked it to 600 right there on the flop and went from there

I can never make out the white print- what happened?

[salt3d]

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[IslandAK]

[EDIT] Just figured out what I wrote wasn't very useful. He's something more intelligent, I hope.
1. I would have just folded to the turn bet.
2. When you get a call on that flop (with bottom pair) you KNOW you're beat (maybe a donk on a draw, but I'm thinking pair). Now the 0nly way to win the pot is to push this guy off.
3. In order to push the guy off you need to be aggressive.
3a. Checking the turn in not aggressive
3b. Check raising the turn IS aggressive, BUT what are you repping here? What do you bet on the flop and check on the turn? 2nd pair? Top pair no kicker? Trapping with trips? "IF" you have trips and are trapping, BY DEFINITION the guy should have a hard time figuring out what you have and WILL NOT fold.

You saw weakness and tried to capitalize on it. The play you made works. Maybe you should have reraised bigger (you didn't raise the full pot, it looks like it's more based on his bet), but the fact that he called off that much of his stack makes me think he may have called anything.

After that big call I likely check it down too.

If I sound high an mighty, I'm not. I'm running 25% ITM this week and +$3. So if you don't like my analysis, you have some evidence to discount it. I'm just telling you what I see.

Original post: In case you want to see the stuff I wrote first.
You made a good play. I have a feeling I make guys (er... opponents) lay down the best hand pretty regularly by being aggressive.

This is just one of those times he figured to hang on. If you lead out again on the turn you 'probably' get him to go away. The check indicates weakness. Now this guy puts YOU on a J. Figuring (however they figure things) that a T is better than the average card, his kicker is likely to be good, he calls your reraise.

I know it's hard to fire off another bet in the turn without the cards, and I rarely do it. And who knows maybe this guy was stuck. I can't believe what some guys get attached to. Maybe losing that reraise was better than pushing the turn. He just night have called...

Ah well. Can't push em off every middle pair.