Truth in numbers

[Cpaz]

I've recently looked at some of my poker tracker results over the past year and I found a couple of things fascinating. I know they are obvious things but I thought I'd share anyway.

I've played over 52K hands. Obviously every hand was represented - 169 hands. I had poket rockets 230 times and won with it 86.96 percent of the time which is slightly above the result you get using pokerstove - 85.2.

So now that I'm looking at some of the obvious things does anyone know the real things to evaluate in PT that will help identify leaks?

[Staple Gun]

Study the big pots you've been losing. Look for trends I guess. I havn;t found PT exremely useful for fixing sng leaks, I just use it more for stat-keeping and ring.

[vqc]

try and filter for AK hands that you
1) First raiser (not necessarily first in)
2) Cbet flop
3) Level 1 and 2

and tell me if u are up chips or down chips, and avg chips/hand made.

[Cpaz]

Hmm, interesting excercise.

Well I didn't know how to filter for levels 1 and 2 but for the other filters there were 53 hands, up 2838 chips for an avg of 53.55. Is this useful?

Thanks VQC.

[vqc]

Hmm, interesting excercise.

Well I didn't know how to filter for levels 1 and 2 but for the other filters there were 53 hands, up 2838 chips for an avg of 53.55. Is this useful?

Thanks VQC.

just wondering how the many ways of playing AK resulted in wat types of return.
if only we could filter for L1 and L2 becuase this + value also includes hands where u went all in in later levels and stuff like that.

[Cpaz]

OK, I think my first filter had a default filter on that messed with things. I reset all filters and tried again. I filtered for AK, PFR,CBET and hands with 8 - 10 players. The last filter should eliminate the late push play. Here's what came up.

I messed around a bit more and found that I'm actually losing in late position and winning in early position. Very odd. - Maybe I'm overvaluing the hand in LP and playing a bit more cautiously early.

Oh well, it's fun to be messin' with.

94 Hands
71% Wins
Won 8643
Avg 91.95
Won$atSD 55.26%

Interesting stuff. I also found the following which is pretty cool.

http://www.bet-the-pot.com/poker-tra...ia-page67.html

[vqc]

OK, I think my first filter had a default filter on that messed with things. I reset all filters and tried again. I filtered for AK, PFR,CBET and hands with 8 - 10 players. The last filter should eliminate the late push play. Here's what came up.

I messed around a bit more and found that I'm actually losing in late position and winning in early position. Very odd. - Maybe I'm overvaluing the hand in LP and playing a bit more cautiously early.

Oh well, it's fun to be messin' with.

94 Hands
71% Wins
Won 8643
Avg 91.95
Won$atSD 55.26%

Interesting stuff. I also found the following which is pretty cool.

http://www.bet-the-pot.com/poker-tra...ia-page67.html

rasing in late position after multiple limpers and c betting is killing u!
thats the only possible conclusion! =D.

look into it, it could bring revelations.

[Fnord]

...you also could make bad conclusions based on a small sample size.

AK is a very swingy hand. It wasn't uncommon for me to go 10k or more hands showing a net loss.

[vqc]

...you also could make bad conclusions based on a small sample size.

AK is a very swingy hand. It wasn't uncommon for me to go 10k or more hands showing a net loss.

i am the purveyor of sample size!!!!!!

iv talked to gabe about this and he loked at wat his numbers were telling him.

Either way it always leads to a good disucssion.

[Cpaz]

OK, I think my first filter had a default filter on that messed with things. I reset all filters and tried again. I filtered for AK, PFR,CBET and hands with 8 - 10 players. The last filter should eliminate the late push play. Here's what came up.

I messed around a bit more and found that I'm actually losing in late position and winning in early position. Very odd. - Maybe I'm overvaluing the hand in LP and playing a bit more cautiously early.

Oh well, it's fun to be messin' with.

94 Hands
71% Wins
Won 8643
Avg 91.95
Won$atSD 55.26%

Interesting stuff. I also found the following which is pretty cool.

http://www.bet-the-pot.com/poker-tra...ia-page67.html

rasing in late position after multiple limpers and c betting is killing u!
thats the only possible conclusion! =D.

look into it, it could bring revelations.

Hmmmmmm......There are 7 more like this. So do I limp with the rest(That doesn't sound good.) or not c-bet?

Good call VQC.

BTW - I think PP is testing me now. I've had AK 4 times today within the first 3 lvls of tourney and I've only had a handfull. I've limped all and had to fold when nothing hit.


***** Hand History for Game 1436704854 *****
15/30 TOURNEYTEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 8673623) - FRI JAN 14 18:09:15 EST 2005
Table Table 12621 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jweppler (1490)
Seat 2: gberl (785)
Seat 3: sabre4444 (1640)
Seat 4: JamesM8 (655)
Seat 5: dildobagins2 (435)
Seat 6: reddawg1221 (775)
Seat 8: ZenfulBliss (595)
Seat 9: FREERIDE3166 (855)
Seat 10: PazzMan (770)
gberl posts small blind (10)
sabre4444 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ Kd, Ac ]
JamesM8 calls (15)
dildobagins2 folds.
reddawg1221 folds.
ZenfulBliss folds.
FREERIDE3166 raises (30) to 30
PazzMan raises (125) to 125
jweppler folds.
gberl folds.
sabre4444 folds.
JamesM8 folds.
FREERIDE3166 calls (95)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, As, 2s ]
FREERIDE3166 checks.
PazzMan bets (645)
PazzMan is all-In.
FREERIDE3166 calls (645)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
Creating Main Pot with $1580 with PazzMan
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1580 |
Board: [ Js As 2s 8d 7c ]
jweppler balance 1490, didn't bet (folded)
gberl balance 775, lost 10 (folded)
sabre4444 balance 1625, lost 15 (folded)
JamesM8 balance 640, lost 15 (folded)
FREERIDE3166 balance 1665, bet 770, collected 1580, net +810 [ Jd Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ad,As,Jd,Js,8d ]
PazzMan balance 0, lost 770 [ Kd Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Kd,Js,8d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2807348356 *****
30/60 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 16236058) - SAT OCT 01 15:19:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 39802 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: Steeler_Mike (955)
Seat 3: stevesmitty4 (615)
Seat 4: sjdj1 (410)
Seat 5: drubin46 (785)
Seat 7: PazzMan (975)
Seat 8: hazel2nut (2555)
Seat 9: luckysdy (940)
Seat 10: skyla316 (765)
skyla316 posts small blind (15)
Steeler_Mike posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ As, Kc ]
stevesmitty4 folds.
sjdj1 folds.
drubin46 calls (30)
PazzMan raises (120) to 120
hazel2nut folds.
luckysdy folds.
skyla316 folds.
Steeler_Mike calls (90)
drubin46 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, Jh, Jc ]
Steeler_Mike checks.
PazzMan bets (150)
Steeler_Mike raises (300) to 300
PazzMan calls (150)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
Steeler_Mike bets (535)
Steeler_Mike is all-In.
PazzMan folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1420 with Steeler_Mike
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1420
Board: [ Qc Jh Jc 4h ]
Steeler_Mike balance 1420, bet 955, collected 1420, net +465 [ Jd Js ] [ four of a kind, jacks -- Qc,Jd,Js,Jh,Jc ]
drubin46 balance 755, lost 30 (folded)
PazzMan balance 555, lost 420 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game -2086442229 *****
15/30 TOURNEYTEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 13103592) - TUE JUN 14 23:25:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 35317 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: wrench888 (1160)
Seat 2: awhite555 (1455)
Seat 3: cczack (785)
Seat 4: goffyplayer (720)
Seat 5: Cuh1982 (755)
Seat 7: PazzMan (785)
Seat 8: standingoak (785)
Seat 9: Jwadley (755)
Seat 10: isis3838 (800)
Jwadley posts small blind (10)
isis3838 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ As, Kd ]
wrench888 calls (15)
awhite555 calls (15)
cczack calls (15)
goffyplayer folds.
Cuh1982 calls (15)
PazzMan raises (100) to 100
standingoak folds.
Jwadley calls (90)
isis3838 folds.
wrench888 calls (85)
awhite555 folds.
cczack folds.
Cuh1982 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, Jc, 8h ]
Jwadley checks.
wrench888 checks.
PazzMan bets (250)
Jwadley folds.
wrench888 raises (1060) to 1060
wrench888 is all-In.
PazzMan calls (435)
PazzMan is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
Creating Main Pot with $1730 with PazzMan
Creating Side Pot 1 with $375 with wrench888
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1730 | Side Pot 1: 375
Board: [ Ks Jc 8h 2d 9d ]
wrench888 balance 2105, bet 1160, collected 2105, net +945 [ Jd Jh ] [ three of a kind, jacks -- Ks,Jd,Jh,Jc,9d ]
PazzMan balance 0, lost 785 [ As Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- As,Kd,Ks,Jc,9d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2641947749 *****
30/60 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 15391591) - FRI SEP 02 18:37:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 12825 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: MDmaniac13 (800)
Seat 3: Jocke244 (2110)
Seat 4: xMookusx (1140)
Seat 5: KarlaSue4 (505)
Seat 7: pokermoosey (1065)
Seat 8: PazzMan (1265)
Seat 9: Britespark1 (515)
Seat 10: brownee333 (600)
MDmaniac13 posts small blind (15)
Jocke244 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ Kh, As ]
xMookusx folds.
KarlaSue4 calls (30)
pokermoosey folds.
PazzMan raises (100) to 100
Britespark1 calls (100)
brownee333 folds.
MDmaniac13 folds.
Jocke244 folds.
KarlaSue4 calls (70)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qh, 2c, Kc ]
KarlaSue4 checks.
PazzMan bets (250)
Britespark1 calls (250)
KarlaSue4 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7h ]
PazzMan bets (325)
Britespark1 calls (165)
Britespark1 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 3s ]
Creating Main Pot with $1175 with Britespark1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1175 | Side Pot 1: 160
Board: [ Qh 2c Kc 7h 3s ]
PazzMan balance 750, bet 675, collected 160, lost -515 [ Kh As ] [ a pair of kings -- As,Kh,Kc,Qh,7h ]
Britespark1 balance 1175, bet 515, collected 1175, net +660 [ 3d 3h ] [ three of a kind, threes -- Kc,Qh,3d,3h,3s ]

***** Hand History for Game 2719454882 *****
15/30 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 15778385) - FRI SEP 16 00:56:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 35056 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: CharlyChaser (105)
Seat 2: munson81 (755)
Seat 3: Iamthird (705)
Seat 4: Blind_Hawg (895)
Seat 5: ramrod39 (760)
Seat 6: orrie (1405)
Seat 7: PazzMan (775)
Seat 8: Young_Gunnna (975)
Seat 9: complex4U (785)
Seat 10: urban33 (840)
complex4U posts small blind (10)
urban33 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ Kc, Ad ]
CharlyChaser folds.
munson81 calls (15)
Iamthird folds.
Blind_Hawg folds.
ramrod39 folds.
orrie raises (45) to 45
PazzMan raises (125) to 125
Young_Gunnna folds.
complex4U folds.
urban33 folds.
munson81 folds.
orrie calls (80)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 6s, 2c ]
orrie checks.
PazzMan bets (200)
orrie raises (1280) to 1280
orrie is all-In.
PazzMan folds.

[Cpaz]

Here's one from today. I don't know why these hands are giving me such trouble lately. I really need to raise these preflop, no? (As I write this another one is up and it's suited. I'll post that too.)

Any help?

***** Hand History for Game 3275866322 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18680961) - Wed Dec 28 17:09:34 EST 2005
Table Table 67543 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mryogen (800)
Seat 2: yrhuklbery (800)
Seat 3: gelatomiceli (800)
Seat 4: Umstien (800)
Seat 5: benmatloc111 (800)
Seat 6: PazzMan (800)
Seat 7: satchmo74 (800)
Seat 8: NHeuer80 (800)
Seat 9: kshanew (800)
Seat 10: Noirtier (800)
NHeuer80 posts small blind (10)
kshanew posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ As, Ks ]
Noirtier folds.
mryogen folds.
yrhuklbery calls (15)
gelatomiceli raises (50) to 50
Umstien folds.
benmatloc111 calls (50)
PazzMan calls (50)
satchmo74 folds.
NHeuer80 folds.
kshanew folds.
yrhuklbery calls (35)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8s, 3c, Ah ]
yrhuklbery checks.
gelatomiceli bets (225)
benmatloc111 raises (450) to 450
PazzMan raises (750) to 750
PazzMan is ???

***** Hand History for Game 3275914548 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18680913) - Wed Dec 28 17:19:25 EST 2005
Table Table 67281 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: JPSke (815)
Seat 4: T140V (325)
Seat 5: phinizy1 (600)
Seat 6: PazzMan (740)
Seat 7: dsvend (1565)
Seat 8: smittyd3 (860)
Seat 9: ashbash71 (620)
Seat 10: Papaleo72 (2475)
phinizy1 posts small blind (15)
PazzMan posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PazzMan [ Kh, Ah ]
dsvend folds.
smittyd3 folds.
ashbash71 folds.
Papaleo72 folds.
JPSke folds.
T140V raises (75) to 75
phinizy1 folds.
PazzMan raises (710) to 740
PazzMan is all-In.
T140V calls (250)
T140V is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $665 with T140V
Creating Side Pot 1 with $415 with PazzMan
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 4c, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 665 | Side Pot 1: 415
Board: [ Td 4c 9c Qc 2h ]
JPSke balance 815, didn't bet (folded)
T140V balance 665, bet 325, collected 665, net +340 [ Ts Kd ] [ a pair of tens -- Kd,Qc,Ts,Td,9c ]
phinizy1 balance 585, lost 15 (folded)
PazzMan balance 415, bet 740, collected 415, lost -325 [ Kh Ah ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Kh,Qc,Td,9c ]