Blind wars, TP+OESD v big bets

[JeffreyGB]

PokerStars Game #3466133264: Tournament #16921908, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/12/28 - 23:57:11 (ET)
Table '16921908 62' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: GenericSoda (4572 in chips)
Seat 2: 1 Top - Kat (2410 in chips)
Seat 3: BassEarnestT (2580 in chips)
Seat 4: TopToad (3525 in chips)
Seat 5: Arrgon88 (2423 in chips)
Seat 6: LeonPK (4680 in chips)
Seat 7: JGB146 (4500 in chips)
Seat 8: lego1980 (1880 in chips)
Seat 9: Nirvana91 (3190 in chips)
LeonPK: posts small blind 75
JGB146: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JGB146 [4h 7s]
lego1980: folds
Nirvana91: folds
GenericSoda: calls 150
1 Top - Kat: folds
BassEarnestT: folds
TopToad: folds
Arrgon88: folds
LeonPK: calls 75
JGB146: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 5c 6h]
LeonPK: bets 300
JGB146: raises 500 to 800
GenericSoda: folds
[LeonPK thinks for a LONG time]
LeonPK: raises 3730 to 4530 and is all-in
JGB146: ???


Results in white below:
JGB146: calls 3550 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7h 5c 6h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [7h 5c 6h 3c] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LeonPK: shows [Ad 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
JGB146: shows [4h 7s] (a straight, Three to Seven)
JGB146 collected 9150 from pot

[bearcats05]

i had him on either A7 or a set.
i think its better if you are the one pushing here.
its good that you have live cards but i dont think you are ahead to often. its better if you are the one pushing allin so he might just fold.

[JeffreyGB]

i had him on either A7 or a set.
i think its better if you are the one pushing here.
its good that you have live cards but i dont think you are ahead to often. its better if you are the one pushing allin so he might just fold.

Obviously it's better if I'm the one pushing, but to you is calling the push good or bad given that it played out this way. I'm assuming you're not saying you push over his initial raise, since the stacks are deep enough to make that almost absurd.

[bearcats05]

yeah i think you should fold here, i think you are behind most of the time here.
and yeah you cant push over his reraise here because the stacks are so deep it would be stupid.

[JeffreyGB]

If he's on a set, I'm way behind here, but if he has A7 or an overpair other than 88/99, I'm actually in pretty good shape - it's basically a coinflip (43% v 57%). If that's the case, then I definitely have the odds to make the call.

[bearcats05]

i guess if you hope he doesnt have a set here.
but do you want to take coin flips this early in a sng?
i would rather outplay my oppents then take what i hope is a coinflip

[JeffreyGB]

but do you want to take coin flips this early in a sng?

umm...MTT, and we're not really that early; he and I both just have decent stacks.


And yes, I think coinflips with 2k chips in on the side are +EV. Though I'd love to hear reasoning behind saying that's wrong.

[bearcats05]

my bad thought it was a sng for some reason.

yes i think it was the right move.

[Sprayed]

Jeffrey, you need to post this hand here.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ght=seven+four

[drmcboy]

boy. you can understand why a set would push that board, but so would over pair and certainly flush draw could make same play. I might fold to a tight opp, but with no read or a looser read I think I'm gambooling here.

Looks like you both played pretty well. I like a little bigger raise on the flop. A high flush draw pretty much has to at least call the flop raise, bigger raise gets more info and folds.

[zenbitz]

Do you think the long call is a trap? By 89?
Given your even stacks, it's a pretty ballsy move with only A7... A5h???

I think I find a fold here. TPNK+Idiot end of straight draw on a 2-flush board... ugh.

OK, I am looking now. Ah, balls.

[roymunson451]

does the mantra "only play big pots w/big hands" have any meaning here? In my rookie/fish opinion TP NK + a straight draw doesn't seem to be strong enough at a full table to call this big of a raise w/your tourney on the line.

[bearcats05]

does the mantra "only play big pots w/big hands" have any meaning here? In my rookie/fish opinion TP NK + a straight draw doesn't seem to be strong enough at a full table to call this big of a raise w/your tourney on the line.

this is a MTT he wants to get a big stack. sometimes top pair could be good enough here.. and he always has live cards with the straight draw. it's very possible the other guy could have just a straight or flush draw here too.