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  1. #1

    Default KK, again :/

    Second hour MTT.

    Get KK, blinds 150/75.
    I have 4.5 K and BB 6k. I'm UTG.

    Raise to 600.
    Table folds to BB who calls.

    Flop comes 2 7 Q rainbow.

    BB bets 1100. Ok, if it's the set so be it I think and reraise another 1100 and get called.

    Turn comes A with a possible flush-draw.

    BB bets AI. Wtf? Am I staring QQ in the face? I call, which gets me busted, of course.

    I show my KK and stare into A 7????????

    Ok, I'm beat and the river comes another A just to rub it in.

    Where did I play wrong? The peculiar thing is that the A on the turn actually removed the butterflies from my stomach, even though later I realised that I should have expected an A Q, but A 7?????

    Sten
  2. #2
    what was your read on the player and how had you been seen to be playing at the table?

    If the villain held queens I would of expected a reraise pre-flop. 7's are a possibility but I would of expected a smaller bet on the flop or a check on a drawless board.

    The raise on the the flop needs to be bigger and considering that would comitt you to the pot I probably push.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by re84uk
    what was your read on the player and how had you been seen to be playing at the table?

    If the villain held queens I would of expected a reraise pre-flop. 7's are a possibility but I would of expected a smaller bet on the flop or a check on a drawless board.

    The raise on the the flop needs to be bigger and considering that would comitt you to the pot I probably push.
    I didn't have much read on the player. Weak tight, possibly. Playing very few hands, but showdowns had those hands ranging from AKs to 52o, so I almost got the feeling he was rolling a coin and playing every hand when heads came up three times in a row

    My play was loose I'd say, or at least loose preflop. Call BB 40% and of course check BB if it was handed to me unraised. Fold every hand that didn't hit flop. Raise 3 - 4 BB with A T or better from any position provided noone had placed a higher than 2 BB bet before me, in which case I called or folded dependent on how tight the betting player was.
    Post-flop I pushed (pot-sized + BB) bets whenever I felt I was in the lead and continued pushing as long as it seemed a good idea. Before this hand I had busted three players from the tournament and had a 70% win-rate at showdowns, so I'd guess the other players ought to consider me easy to read -- pushes hard with solid hands or folds.

    But, yep, should probably have reraised for 2000 or so, even though I suspect I could have reraised AI and still get called.

    Sten
  4. #4
    You only beat a stone cold bluff or KQ on the turn. No way a weak/tight player pushes KQ or JJ! on an AQ-high board into a PFR/Flop raise.... unless he really thought your flop rr meant nothing. Oh waits.... he could have a pair and FD, that fits pattern.

    Actually... the flush draw kinda forces you to call here.

    He made a pretty loose call on the flop... such is the advantage of the big stack. I guess you could raise more to drive him out... but hell, let him draw to his 5 outs!

    Actually - there is almost no way he has a set and just called a re-raise. 99% of the time a set will push over you here, I think.
  5. #5
    Push the flop.
  6. #6

    Default yeah

    I feel your pain had the same thing happen to me the other night -

    your best move here is to AI the flop, however some players simply do not have a fold button. Your self description of playing loose here may have hurt you as the guy may have called simply cause he didnt believe you had shit - there is no way to tell what he was thinking.

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