Could I have gotten out of this hand for cheaper?

[johnnyBuz]

***** Hand History for Game 3315004624 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18896400 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Wednesday, January 04, 17:47:12 EDT 2006
Table Table 66985 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ddog333 ( $825 )
Seat 2: KentMo ( $1150 )
Seat 3: ubluffingme ( $530 )
Seat 4: PEMCCE ( $820 )
Seat 6: Hoppy80 ( $1790 )
Seat 7: janiesaces ( $750 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $805 )
Seat 9: Loppy14 ( $575 )
Seat 10: Dodgy_don ( $755 )
Trny:18896400 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ Ac Jc ]
janiesaces folds.
johnnyBuz calls [30].
Loppy14 raises [60].
Dodgy_don folds.
ddog333 folds.
KentMo folds.
ubluffingme folds.
PEMCCE folds.
Hoppy80 calls [30].
>You have options at Table 67747 Table!.
johnnyBuz calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 9c, 8d ]
Hoppy80 checks.
johnnyBuz bets [50].
Loppy14 raises [100].
Hoppy80 folds.
johnnyBuz calls [50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
johnnyBuz bets [100].
Loppy14 raises [200].
johnnyBuz calls [100].
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
johnnyBuz checks.
Loppy14 is all-In [215]
johnnyBuz calls [215].

gutshot straight. two overs. nuts flush draw. i think i could have saved myself those last 215 chips and would be in better position then i am at right now with 170 chips left in the tournament.

{[post edited by VQC for content}
{read the gorram faq}

[lowBoy]

Leave the results out of your posts.

[donkbee]

You bet on the flop, got reraised, and called. Why did you bet again on the turn? And then you called another reraise?

[konahead]

when it gets to the turn, don't lead out - go to check/fold mode and hope opp gives you 4-1 odds to see the river. (That's the odds you will hit your flush outs). That means check the turn and if he bets more than 100, fold. Your overcards are no longer outs with 4 to a straight on the board. (He in fact did make his straight on the turn....)

I also suggest you make a bigger bet on the flop, with the nut flush draw and two overcards - perhaps 3/4 pot - say 150. A 50 bet into a 195 pot will rarely get another draw to fold... If you get called, go to check/fold mode. JT is a popular hand to play, and opp could have already made his straight.

That said, you were going to have a real hard time getting this opp to fold anyway, with the straight draw on the flop and the made straight with a flush draw on the turn. If you had checked the turn, he probably would have made it more than 100 and you could have folded there.... saved 415 chips.

[johnnyBuz]

Leave the results out of your posts.

Just leave these parts out of hand histories?

johnnyBuz shows [ Ac, Jc ] a pair of aces.
Loppy14 shows [ Td, Kd ] a flush, ace high.
Loppy14 wins 1225 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

[vqc]

Leave the results out of your posts.

Just leave these parts out of hand histories?

johnnyBuz shows [ Ac, Jc ] a pair of aces.
Loppy14 shows [ Td, Kd ] a flush, ace high.
Loppy14 wins 1225 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

read the gorram faq.

and fold preflop.

[johnnyBuz]

Leave the results out of your posts.

Just leave these parts out of hand histories?

johnnyBuz shows [ Ac, Jc ] a pair of aces.
Loppy14 shows [ Td, Kd ] a flush, ace high.
Loppy14 wins 1225 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

read the gorram faq.

and fold preflop.

it seems to me you hate AJ / AJs

[konahead]

I agree, the boy needs to read the rules in the top posts on the forum.

But don't you think preflop folding AJs, even to a min-raise, is a bit tight? Blinds are only 30.... (I know you hate post-flop play )

seriously - just asking...

[thnwkd]

Leave the results out of your posts.

Just leave these parts out of hand histories?

johnnyBuz shows [ Ac, Jc ] a pair of aces.
Loppy14 shows [ Td, Kd ] a flush, ace high.
Loppy14 wins 1225 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

read the gorram faq.

and fold preflop.

it seems to me you hate AJ / AJs

why did you post the results again if it was edited out? also its not about the results, its about the decision.

I would seriously consider a push on the flop here.

[donkbee]

Why would you push??????

[vqc]

Why would you push??????

2 overs + flush draw+ gutshot.

not to say i agree but thats why.

[vqc]

Leave the results out of your posts.

Just leave these parts out of hand histories?

johnnyBuz shows [ Ac, Jc ] a pair of aces.
Loppy14 shows [ Td, Kd ] a flush, ace high.
Loppy14 wins 1225 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

read the gorram faq.

and fold preflop.

it seems to me you hate AJ / AJs

yes its a shitty hand.

fold preflop.

[vqc]

I agree, the boy needs to read the rules in the top posts on the forum.

But don't you think preflop folding AJs, even to a min-raise, is a bit tight? Blinds are only 30.... (I know you hate post-flop play )

seriously - just asking...

no its not too tight at all.

WIth PP SNGs its hard to be too tight.

AJ is a crappy hand to go post flop adventuring with, espeically if ur not opening.

[johnnyBuz]

Is pushing that early in a tournament on a draw really the best decision though?

[vqc]

Is pushing that early in a tournament on a draw really the best decision though?

its probably better than playing AJ for a minraise in an 800 chipper.

[vqc]

u could always go for a checkraise all in.

[johnnyBuz]

u could always go for a checkraise all in.

I feel like people on PartyPoker don't respect raises, check-raises, and all-ins in the first place. He would probably just call on his draw as well.

[vqc]

u could always go for a checkraise all in.

I feel like people on PartyPoker don't respect raises, check-raises, and all-ins in the first place. He would probably just call on his draw as well.

between the two of u who has a better draw?