Two Early Hands Stars 180 Man

[Sprayed]

These are two back to back early hands that got me to the FT of a 180 Man Stars tourney. Good or Bad? I took a chance with the first one. Interested to see what you have to say.

PokerStars Game #3510151775: Tournament #17414423, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV
(50/100) - 2006/01/02 - 13:01:24 (ET)
Table '17414423 16' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: BoBo729 (8065 in chips)
Seat 2: Ryther14 (1000 in chips)
Seat 3: amlbiotch (1355 in chips)
Seat 4: bksiebs (2755 in chips)
Seat 5: notdrunk (2642 in chips)
Seat 6: Sprayed (1055 in chips)
Seat 7: redale (1370 in chips)
Seat 8: NAIRO (930 in chips)
Seat 9: snakee (3750 in chips)
snakee: posts small blind 50
BoBo729: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sprayed [6s 7s]
Ryther14: folds
amlbiotch: folds
bksiebs: calls 100
notdrunk: folds
Sprayed: calls 100
redale: folds
NAIRO: folds
snakee: folds
BoBo729: raises 300 to 400
bksiebs: calls 300
Sprayed: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [6d 3d 2s]
BoBo729: bets 700
bksiebs: folds
Sprayed: calls 655 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6d 3d 2s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [6d 3d 2s 6c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BoBo729: shows [Jd Ad] (a pair of Sixes)
Sprayed: shows [6s 7s] (three of a kind, Sixes)
bksiebs said, "NH"
Sprayed collected 2560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2560 | Rake 0
Board [6d 3d 2s 6c 9s]
Seat 1: BoBo729 (big blind) showed [Jd Ad] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 2: Ryther14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: amlbiotch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bksiebs folded on the Flop
Seat 5: notdrunk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Sprayed showed [6s 7s] and won (2560) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 7: redale folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: NAIRO (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: snakee (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #3510160804: Tournament #17414423, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV
(50/100) - 2006/01/02 - 13:02:34 (ET)
Table '17414423 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: BoBo729 (7010 in chips)
Seat 2: Ryther14 (1000 in chips)
Seat 3: amlbiotch (1355 in chips)
Seat 4: bksiebs (2355 in chips)
Seat 5: notdrunk (2642 in chips)
Seat 6: Sprayed (2560 in chips)
Seat 8: NAIRO (930 in chips)
Seat 9: snakee (3700 in chips)
BoBo729: posts small blind 50
Ryther14: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sprayed [6c 6d]
amlbiotch: folds
bksiebs: folds
notdrunk: folds
Sprayed: calls 100
NAIRO: folds
Sprayed said, "thx"
7studchamp is connected
snakee: calls 100
BoBo729: calls 50
Ryther14: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8s 6s]
BoBo729: bets 200
BoBo729 said, "CHIT HAND...GOOD FLOP"
BoBo729 said, "lol"
Ryther14: calls 200
Sprayed: raises 2260 to 2460 and is all-in
snakee: raises 1140 to 3600 and is all-in
BoBo729: folds
Ryther14: folds
Sprayed said, "i know not bragging"
*** TURN *** [Jc 8s 6s] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 8s 6s 4c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sprayed: shows [6c 6d] (three of a kind, Sixes)
snakee: shows [8h Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
BoBo729 said, "SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN IT"
Sprayed collected 5720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5720 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 8s 6s 4c Qh]
Seat 1: BoBo729 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Ryther14 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: amlbiotch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bksiebs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: notdrunk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Sprayed showed [6c 6d] and won (5720) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 8: NAIRO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: snakee (button) showed [8h Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights

[WildBobAA]

#1 you should have folded PF. You can't be limping for 1/10 of your stack with a suited connector. Either push this or fold.

#2 I hate open limping of any kind but it worked out for you.

[Sprayed]

#1 you should have folded PF. You can't be limping for 1/10 of your stack with a suited connector. Either push this or fold.

#2 I hate open limping of any kind but it worked out for you.

I called with the first one to see the flop cheap and there was already a limper in. I figured I would go in push fold mode if I didn't hit. I thought that I was getting the right odds to call the raise considering the amount already in the pot. Plus, Bobo was plashing around a lot.

The second one I didn't want to raise this hand due to the hand prior. I wanted to get people in there and if I hit I could do some damage.

Wrong thought process?

[WildBobAA]

Well regarding the first hand, right thought process, wrong timing. You're getting good pot odds, but you're putting in almost half your stack. Anytime in a tournament, if you're putting in that much of your stack on one hand, you're commiting yourself to the pot. When your stack is around 10x the BB, you need to make a decision preflop. If you're going to play a hand you might as well push since any raise commits you to the pot. If you had say 2000 chips then you could take a flop with this hand but not when it represents such a large portion of your stack.

2nd hand that's not how I would have played it but I think there's multiple ways to play that situation and I don't think you played it badly.

[Sprayed]

Well regarding the first hand, right thought process, wrong timing. You're getting good pot odds, but you're putting in almost half your stack. Anytime in a tournament, if you're putting in that much of your stack on one hand, you're commiting yourself to the pot. When your stack is around 10x the BB, you need to make a decision preflop. If you're going to play a hand you might as well push since any raise commits you to the pot. If you had say 2000 chips then you could take a flop with this hand but not when it represents such a large portion of your stack.

2nd hand that's not how I would have played it but I think there's multiple ways to play that situation and I don't think you played it badly.

Good point about the 10x the BB. I tend to think about this late in the tourney.

I read Rippy's post about how he raises almost every hand he plays which is opposite of some poker books that say you want to see the flop cheaply with suited connectors and small pp. But, I am first to act which means I should have raised. Got lucky I guess. But that's poker, right?

[drmcboy]

limping 67s there is a very bad play. You probably should not be playing scs at all. Tight is still right for you. You need a MUCH bigger stack to make this play. After the limp, I dunno. I can't decide whether calling or folding is better here - it's a nice price and you need to gamble at some point. OTOH, if it's two high cards and an overpair you are in against you don't have the right price to play.

Again I'll emphasize that if you can't figure all that out yourself, you are not ready to play scs. Just fold them.

I would prefer a raise on the 66 but your stack is still marginally OK for the limp. If you get raised here what are you going to do?

[Miffed22001]

Hand 1
Horrible preflop. Nice postflop
Hand2.
Id open for a raise here more often than not. I dont agree with the open for a limp stuff in these simply because the players suck so bad they almost always pay sets with their stack so the make a cheap monster and push it hard is more the style for these. So i like preflop here. Id push that too.

[Sprayed]

So, the consensus is that for the first hand bad play. If I wanted to play the hand I should have pushed, but fold was the best bet due to stack size. Play tight and look for a good hand to push due to stack being 10xbb. Got it!

The second hand not too bad, but a raise might have been better preflop.

[Easy17]

i dont think its was awful trying to limp with the suited connectors, but calling the preflop raise for half your stack i guess should have been push or fold, probably fold.

[JeffreyGB]

i dont think its was awful trying to limp with the suited connectors, but calling the preflop raise for half your stack i guess should have been push or fold, probably fold.

It's not aweful, except when it's that huge a portion of your stack. This is a play you make when the blinds are small compared to your stack.

FYI, with suited connectors, you will make a probable winning hand on the flop about 5% of the time, meaning that you have to make 20x your preflop bet for it to be a break-even play. Here you made 14x the limp and only about 4x the call. And that's getting some donk to call for your stack AND having a relatively weak hand on the flop hold up (i.e. getting pretty lucky postflop).

I actually don't mind the limp in the second hand a whole lot. You're stack is still a bit on the low side for limping to set with pocket pairs (IMO 66 isn't strong enough here to do much else...you're still pretty short stacked), but it's a marginal mistake at worst.