Is this considered leaking?

[johnnyBuz]

Are any of these hands not worth the initial 15 call? Or 15 more call? Or the 15 call after the flop hoping for trips? Is this considered leaking or just not catching a piece of the flop?

***** Hand History for Game 3315677117 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18900535 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, January 04, 19:58:28 EDT 2006
Table Table 67718 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: JuanDon69 ( $800 )
Seat 3: pokerhibber ( $800 )
Seat 4: MrDragon999 ( $1630 )
Seat 5: htrips ( $770 )
Seat 6: MastrHiggins ( $770 )
Seat 7: kwr888333 ( $830 )
Seat 9: CQ12583 ( $800 )
Seat 2: yrral333 ( $800 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $800 )
Trny:18900535 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ Ac 9h ]
MastrHiggins:
CQ12583 folds.
>You have options at Table 68007 Table!.
JuanDon69 folds.
yrral333 folds.
pokerhibber folds.
MrDragon999 folds.
htrips calls [15].
MastrHiggins calls [15].
kwr888333 calls [5].
johnnyBuz checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Td, 7d ]
kwr888333 checks.
johnnyBuz checks.
htrips bets [15].
MastrHiggins folds.
kwr888333 calls [15].
johnnyBuz folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
>You have options at Table 68007 Table!.
kwr888333 checks.
htrips bets [50].
kwr888333 calls [50].
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
kwr888333 checks.
htrips bets [80].
kwr888333 raises [160].
htrips raises [295].
kwr888333 calls [215].
htrips shows [ Th, Js ] a full house, Tens full of sevens.
kwr888333 doesn't show [ 8d, 5d ] a flush, ace high.
htrips wins 940 chips from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of sevens.

***** Hand History for Game 3315697506 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18900535 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, January 04, 20:02:12 EDT 2006
Table Table 67718 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: JuanDon69 ( $775 )
Seat 3: pokerhibber ( $800 )
Seat 4: MrDragon999 ( $1630 )
Seat 5: htrips ( $1255 )
Seat 6: MastrHiggins ( $645 )
Seat 7: kwr888333 ( $490 )
Seat 9: CQ12583 ( $910 )
Seat 2: yrral333 ( $720 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $775 )
Trny:18900535 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ 8c 8h ]
MrDragon999 folds.
htrips calls [15].
MastrHiggins folds.
kwr888333 calls [15].
johnnyBuz calls [15].
CQ12583 folds.
JuanDon69 folds.
yrral333 calls [5].
pokerhibber checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Ad, Ks ]
yrral333 checks.
pokerhibber bets [15].
htrips folds.
kwr888333 calls [15].
johnnyBuz calls [15].
yrral333 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
pokerhibber bets [70].
kwr888333 folds.
johnnyBuz folds.
pokerhibber does not show cards.
pokerhibber wins 190 chips

***** Hand History for Game 3315702382 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18900535 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, January 04, 20:03:06 EDT 2006
Table Table 67718 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: JuanDon69 ( $775 )
Seat 3: pokerhibber ( $890 )
Seat 4: MrDragon999 ( $1630 )
Seat 5: htrips ( $1240 )
Seat 6: MastrHiggins ( $645 )
Seat 7: kwr888333 ( $460 )
Seat 9: CQ12583 ( $910 )
Seat 2: yrral333 ( $705 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $745 )
Trny:18900535 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ Jd Ac ]
htrips calls [15].
MastrHiggins raises [45].
kwr888333 folds.
johnnyBuz calls [45].
CQ12583 is all-In [910]
JuanDon69 folds.
yrral333 folds.
pokerhibber folds.
MrDragon999 folds.
htrips folds.
MastrHiggins: now i remember why i dont play $10 buy ins
MastrHiggins folds.
johnnyBuz folds.
CQ12583 does not show cards.
CQ12583 wins 1040 chips

***** Hand History for Game 3315706180 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18900535 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, January 04, 20:03:48 EDT 2006
Table Table 67718 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: JuanDon69 ( $775 )
Seat 3: pokerhibber ( $880 )
Seat 4: MrDragon999 ( $1615 )
Seat 5: htrips ( $1225 )
Seat 6: MastrHiggins ( $600 )
Seat 7: kwr888333 ( $460 )
Seat 9: CQ12583 ( $1040 )
Seat 2: yrral333 ( $705 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $700 )
Trny:18900535 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ As 6s ]
MastrHiggins folds.
kwr888333 folds.
johnnyBuz calls [15].
CQ12583 folds.
johnnyBuz: exactly
JuanDon69 raises [45].
yrral333 folds.
pokerhibber folds.
MrDragon999 folds.
htrips folds.
johnnyBuz folds.
JuanDon69 does not show cards.
JuanDon69 wins 85 chips

[konahead]

I probably would have folded the 88 hand on the flop bet. You still had one opp behind you who could have raised and you know someone hit an A or K there. Not worth trying to draw to a set with that board..

And I would have folded AJo to the preflop raise...

[donkbee]

I don't call AJ when it's raised preflop with level one blinds, I fold. I also don't limp suited Acrap.

When the odds and your stack permit, I don't mind calling a min bet with a pocket pair ... is that wrong?

[konahead]

I only said fold on the flop bet cuz there was still an opp behind him (who in fact ended up folding) but you don't know what opp will do and it's a leak of chips IMO. Really ugly board, waiting to get raised. Suprised it didnt.

If he was last to act, I have no problem calling a minbet with a set draw if it's a real small part of your stack.

I also don't mind a limp with Ax-suited if blinds are really cheap...
Ax-unsuited is a definite fold.

[donkbee]

I only said fold on the flop bet cuz there was still an opp behind him (who in fact ended up folding) but you don't know what opp will do and it's a leak of chips IMO. Really ugly board, waiting to get raised. Suprised it didnt.

Good point, thanks.

I also don't mind a limp with Ax-suited if blinds are really cheap...

I've never really understood this. If there's action on the flop, you're not going to stick around if you have a flush draw, are you? So the only way this hand is helpful is if you flop a flush, a straight, or two pairs? If you're going to fold a large majority of the time, isn't limping just throwing chips away? Maybe I just think this because I'm not particularly strong post-flop, so I'd rather not limp hands like this, but some insight would be great.

[johnnyBuz]

I also don't mind a limp with Ax-suited if blinds are really cheap...

I've never really understood this. If there's action on the flop, you're not going to stick around if you have a flush draw, are you? So the only way this hand is helpful is if you flop a flush, a straight, or two pairs? If you're going to fold a large majority of the time, isn't limping just throwing chips away? Maybe I just think this because I'm not particularly strong post-flop, so I'd rather not limp hands like this, but some insight would be great.

If the raise is not much, and I have a 33% chance for the Nuts flush, I will make the call.

[donkbee]

I also don't mind a limp with Ax-suited if blinds are really cheap...

I've never really understood this. If there's action on the flop, you're not going to stick around if you have a flush draw, are you? So the only way this hand is helpful is if you flop a flush, a straight, or two pairs? If you're going to fold a large majority of the time, isn't limping just throwing chips away? Maybe I just think this because I'm not particularly strong post-flop, so I'd rather not limp hands like this, but some insight would be great.

If the raise is not much, and I have a 33% chance for the Nuts flush, I will make the call.

I don't like calling on a flush draw early in a SnG. I think it's a waste of chips. Obviously if the bet is very small and irrelevent to my stack, I should call. But if the pot is getting bigger and the bet is a significant portion of my stack, calling is a bad idea even if the pot odds say I could.

[zenbitz]

If you still have an M of 20 or so, you can play AXs in position with only a flush draw. You can bet it if checked to you, call a small bet, raise a weak bet. In an 800 chipper... not so much.

[johnnyBuz]

In an 800 chipper... not so much.

That is what I hate about PartyPoker. 800 chips is such a bad amount to start a tournament for. 1000-1500 would be expected.

[donkbee]

so why not switch sites?

[johnnyBuz]

so why not switch sites?

I'm not quite sure. Contempt.

[drmcboy]

best reason to fold the 88 is you don't have the 8d, so you really only have one clean out.

[konahead]

on the Axsuited hand - Given hero's stack, position, and experience level, I would have folded it, but I can see just throwing in 15 chips (2% of his stack) if table has been allowing cheap flops and he knows what he's doing. If table has been aggressive, I auto-fold it. And I don't think hero has enough experience yet to play these types of hands OOP.

The only point of calling with Axs is if you can pick up a nut flush draw or similar monster, and if not then you know how to get away from it/bet into it/etc. Then you have a cheap opportunity to perhaps pick up some chips in the early going. Granted, you will be throwing it away postflop more often than not, but thats ok as long as you are using a minimal amout of your stack and know how to play it. (-ie - an ace is a BAD thing without your x card too..., etc) And I only try this at the 1st blind level, when there are plenty of fish to fry, or at the 2nd blind level if I'm big stacked. Otherwise, autofold in EP through MP.

As far as sticking around with a flush draw, I'll play it as long as table is giving me the right odds to draw (4-1). Thats the good thing about limping with it - the pot stays small and bets that will allow me to draw also must be small or I lose my odds and fold... Pretty simple.

But in his spot, with his stack, position, and experience level, I would have folded it. Good point, courtiebee.

[GatorJH]

I've never really understood this. If there's action on the flop, you're not going to stick around if you have a flush draw, are you? So the only way this hand is helpful is if you flop a flush, a straight, or two pairs? If you're going to fold a large majority of the time, isn't limping just throwing chips away? Maybe I just think this because I'm not particularly strong post-flop, so I'd rather not limp hands like this, but some insight would be great.

The more limpers there are in the pot the greater chance it will get checked around or min bet (which would give you the right odds to call) on the flop.

Naturally, deciding to play Ax suited requires a lot of discipline. Your object is to flop the flush or at least a draw to the flush where you can complete it cheaply. If you start playing these hands then continue when you flop a pair (especailly the A), gut shot straight draw, etc. or continue against big bets then yes it can become a leak in your game.