Pointless slow-play? Max call?

[johnnyBuz]

How would you play this hand to maximize profits?

***** Hand History for Game 3317790085 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18911818 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, January 05, 02:56:10 EDT 2006
Table Table 67022 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 7: yankc ( $705 )
Seat 5: goatdaddy ( $875 )
Seat 2: GMUpoker ( $655 )
Seat 8: johnnyBuz ( $815 )
Seat 9: Hooks_Wired ( $1495 )
Seat 10: iceman_nz ( $225 )
Seat 1: Sentennial ( $3230 )
Trny:18911818 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnyBuz [ 9s Ts ]
iceman_nz folds.
Sentennial folds.
GMUpoker folds.
goatdaddy folds.
yankc folds.
johnnyBuz calls [25].
Hooks_Wired checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Ks, 7d ]
johnnyBuz checks.
Hooks_Wired checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
johnnyBuz checks.
Hooks_Wired checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
johnnyBuz bets [200].

[Warpe]

Bet the turn and get called. Doesn't look like your opp had anything anyway.

[johnnyBuz]

Bet the turn and get called. Doesn't look like your opp had anything anyway.

I meant how much of a bet in relation to the pot as well. And what would make him call the turn? Chasing an ace?

[Warpe]

Bet the turn and get called. Doesn't look like your opp had anything anyway.

I meant how much of a bet in relation to the pot as well. And what would make him call the turn? Chasing an ace?

Min-bet to stimulate some action. If he had anything he would call or raise, but my guess is the flop gave him nothing he liked...

[vqc]

dont complete the SB.

[johnnyBuz]

dont complete the SB.

What percentage of flops do you see?

[vqc]

dont complete the SB.

What percentage of flops do you see?

depends on the level of the tournament we are at.

at 10/15. Probably 10%.

at 300/600. Probably around 80-90%.

[JeffreyGB]

I probably bet half the pot on the turn regardless of the cards. If he calls/raises that, then I evaluate based on the strength of my hand, which probably means doing the same on the river against a call; getting all-in on the river against a raise.

And for the record, I'm perfectly fine with completing here from the SB. Though it's also good to mix in a raise, which I suspect is what vcq meant.

[vqc]

I probably bet half the pot on the turn regardless of the cards. If he calls/raises that, then I evaluate based on the strength of my hand, which probably means doing the same on the river against a call; getting all-in on the river against a raise.

And for the record, I'm perfectly fine with completing here from the SB. Though it's also good to mix in a raise, which I suspect is what vcq meant.

I think i fold more here than I raise or call.
Do u guys think that folding more than raising or calling here is a leak?

[JeffreyGB]

I think i fold more here than I raise or call.
Do u guys think that folding more than raising or calling here is a leak?

Depends on the opp and your comfort with post-flop play. You're getting the odds to call with any two, but if your opp is always going to raise when you complete, that can make it expensive. Plus raising his blinds much on lower levels will hurt you for raising them on higher levels (a case for completing or folding).

Then again, one of my favorite plays lately is completing, then folding to a bet for a couple of orbits. Then I catch a big hand, complete, and come over the top of the raise he makes. Typically the difference in blinds (they went up b/t the first time I limped and now) makes this worth-while even if his bet is 3x.

[drmcboy]

VQ - playing 8 tables, it's tough to speculate. It's +EV not to complete, I think, if you'll only play when you flop some monster. You need to win some pots where you flop a draw, second pair, nothing.

But clearly you have right price to limp T9 here. You are not a 3/1 dog against a random hand. So yes, from EV standpoint it is a leak, unless opp has proved he is going to raise most of the time you limp.

I am same as Jeff lately - I'll limp here early and usually give it up to a raise just to see how opp reacts to the limp for later.

80 % of flops?

[konahead]

down to the blinds - 9Ts is plenty good to 3xbb raise. Its actually one of the best hands to steal with, IMO, and there's a good chance you're ahead of bb anyway.

I raise to 150 preflop here. Or limp and bet 60 (1/2 pot+) on the flop. That's a good flop to bet at in a limped blind war.

I also think your river bet is too big. I doubt opp has AT, the only hand that beats you (he would have raised preflop), so why not bet an amount that opp can call - say 50? Better to get 50 chips than nothing, and it was pretty obvious opp wasnt going to call a 2xpot bet.....